Search for New Mayo Manager

[maigheo]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

[heffo]

Yeah not good from Tomas.Must have had a fair scatter of pints drank when he wrote that article.

From my reading of the article he puts the blame on H&C for sh1tstirring, laying lie to the claim that they were doing it for the "good of Mayo football " .
Ok,the CB got it badly wrong initially but that to me is a seperate debate .
He says and I quote -

"But in the long run it's not good for Mayo. Holmes and Connelly had held the high ground since they left; maybe they were hounded to speak on it but I think everyone comes out of this saga tarnished; the players, the management . . . it doesn't do anyone any favours."

Back when h&c were appointed, many Mayo posters said there was trouble ahead. Moy said they were dead men walking and this proved to be true. A lot of the "experts" here have been been spouting BS since h&c went public who haven't a clue about what has been going on. It's a wonder the players didn't rear up a lot sooner. I'd give Tomas maybe 5 out of 10 and he wasn't the worst by a long shot.

Absolute bollocks.

You are burying your head in the sand.

Managers should be judged on the results and performances of their side, their Championship performances were on a par at least with what went before and came afterwards.

The real reason for the coup seems to be that certain players egos were not massaged and they exercised perceived personal grievances with the management team by threatening a strike to have them removed. That is unacceptable but a lot here are completely burying their heads in the sand.

It is not the remit of players to have input in team selections.
It is not the remit of players to have a say in removing management teams.
It is not the remit of players to have a say in the appointment of management teams.

These are the issues the Mayo posters here will not address, all that is being proffered as justification is cryptic and vague hints that there was more behind it that what is in the public domain. The fact is that unless you were in the camp and knew what happened, you are taking leaps of faith and the leaps of faith seem to be very subjective to those of the players from the Mayo posters here. There doesn't seem to be anything concrete behind what they are putting forward, just the side of the story they'd like to believe.

I'm a pragmatist and that's why I have to side with Holmes and Connelly on this matter, nothing justifies the actions of the Mayo players on this, it is not their business to decide management teams and the results and the performances are the only substantive measure for managers, in their only season Holmes and Connelly did as well as any management team - past or present. A personality clash between certain players and management is the only obvious reason for this.

I have never heard one of these players making an excuse or blaming a referee.

http://www.sportsfile.com/id/795375/

"Mayo's Cillian O'Connor and Barry Moran, right, confront referee Joe McQuillan as he looks at his watch after the final whistle."

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/ref-told-cillian-there-was-time-left-moran-claims-607829.html

[RedandGreenSniper]

Yeah not good from Tomas.Must have had a fair scatter of pints drank when he wrote that article.

From my reading of the article he puts the blame on H&C for sh1tstirring, laying lie to the claim that they were doing it for the "good of Mayo football " .
Ok,the CB got it badly wrong initially but that to me is a seperate debate .
He says and I quote -

"But in the long run it's not good for Mayo. Holmes and Connelly had held the high ground since they left; maybe they were hounded to speak on it but I think everyone comes out of this saga tarnished; the players, the management . . . it doesn't do anyone any favours."

Back when h&c were appointed, many Mayo posters said there was trouble ahead. Moy said they were dead men walking and this proved to be true. A lot of the "experts" here have been been spouting BS since h&c went public who haven't a clue about what has been going on. It's a wonder the players didn't rear up a lot sooner. I'd give Tomas maybe 5 out of 10 and he wasn't the worst by a long shot.

Absolute bollocks.

You are burying your head in the sand.

Managers should be judged on the results and performances of their side, their Championship performances were on a par at least with what went before and came afterwards.

The real reason for the coup seems to be that certain players egos were not massaged and they exercised perceived personal grievances with the management team by threatening a strike to have them removed. That is unacceptable but a lot here are completely burying their heads in the sand.

It is not the remit of players to have input in team selections.
It is not the remit of players to have a say in removing management teams.
It is not the remit of players to have a say in the appointment of management teams.

These are the issues the Mayo posters here will not address, all that is being proffered as justification is cryptic and vague hints that there was more behind it that what is in the public domain. The fact is that unless you were in the camp and knew what happened, you are taking leaps of faith and the leaps of faith seem to be very subjective to those of the players from the Mayo posters here. There doesn't seem to be anything concrete behind what they are putting forward, just the side of the story they'd like to believe.

I'm a pragmatist and that's why I have to side with Holmes and Connelly on this matter, nothing justifies the actions of the Mayo players on this, it is not their business to decide management teams and the results and the performances are the only substantive measure for managers, in their only season Holmes and Connelly did as well as any management team - past or present. A personality clash between certain players and management is the only obvious reason for this.

You see bombers problem here is he just doesn't get. Not his fault really as there are a lot of things he just doesn't get as is shown by is continuous ramblings all over this board. On this thread instead of just going away and accepting he doesn't get it he has a couple of other fools egging him on and this has resulted in the absolute nonsense that is came out in this post.

As Lar has already pointed out the trouble that came about as a result of the appointment process was well flag. Not only was it discussed all over Mayo it was also discussed at Co Board level and resulted in resignations from the board. But the power brokers pushed on, patting themselves on the back for the great appointment.

Everyone knew that the real reason for the appointment was to cut back on spending and this meant putting the players back in their boxes. James Horan brought this team to within a kick of a ball of winning an All Ireland final but this meant increased spending on team preparation. It also meant Horan had more of a say on how things were run and when things were going well no one could say a word. But Horan was hated. As far as some were concerned he had to much power and our Co Board men didn't like this one bit.

When Horan left they made sure they wouldn't make the same mistake again. In a dictatorship only the dictators can have control. What better way to ensure total control but to appoint a relation of the leader. This is something you see in the middle east time and time again

So the Dynamic Duo took up and straight away attempted to sort out the plebs. Cuts made in the medical team, cuts made in training expenses. This all at a time when the other serious All Ireland contenders were taking things to another level. And the players should keeps their mouths shut. Be good little boys and say nothing. You see they have no all Ireland medals so what do they know.

This group of players never had a problem with self criticism. Under James Horan they always tried to identify problems and rectify them. Just look at the player Aiden O'Shea was in 2010 and see how he improved every year under Horan. He addressed issues with is fitness and overall play. Look at the team that was physically beat up a stick by Kerry in 2011 and how they transformed themselves over the next couple of years. Ok. They didn't reach the holy grail but they came damn close and I have never heard one of these players making an excuse or blaming a referee.

The least they could have expected when Horan left was someone that may be able to offer something a little bit different. Bomber keeps on pointing that H&C achieved the same results in 2015 as Horan did up to this but the simple point he is missing is the players didn't want the same results. Maybe someone that could help them identify areas that they could improve and put time and resources into improving this. Not some gobshite who himself stood of a man  as he scored 11 points in an All Ireland telling them that they were bullied by Kerry and all they are good for is making excuses. Not some Co Board lackies whose number 1 priorty was to cut expenses. As for reaching the All Ireland semi final and losing to Dublin in a replay. This team without a manager could have achieved this. Despite not having actually one an All Ireland they reached the semi every year  in the previous 4 years and certainly did not need H&C to guide them to this. One saying you often hear mentioned is you learn more from losing then winning. Mayo lost the 2014 replay after a 6 day turnaround. I wonder would the players have anything to offer management on ways they could rectify any problems they identified from the previous year when they faced the same thing in 2015. I also wonder how much heed management paid of these opinions. But then sure the players have no All Irelands so what would they know.

I've said this before, some of these players had the misfortune of playing under a management which came about as a result of a County Board stroke. Micky Moran got above hs station and he was cut at the knees. We seen what happened the next 4 years as the players kept their mouths shuts. Thank good they were a lot braver this time. The only thing I wonder after reading this H&C list of excuses why they didnt make it at management is why the players didn't do what Offaly hurlers did and fcuk these chancers out long before they did. You never know with a proper set up they may have pulled of something special in 2015

Super post Croistlinn. I'd agree with all of it.

[Syferus]

I hear the holiday has been renamed St. Stephen Rochford Day in Mayo.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

[From the Bunker]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

[criostlinn]

Yeah not good from Tomas.Must have had a fair scatter of pints drank when he wrote that article.

From my reading of the article he puts the blame on H&C for sh1tstirring, laying lie to the claim that they were doing it for the "good of Mayo football " .
Ok,the CB got it badly wrong initially but that to me is a seperate debate .
He says and I quote -

"But in the long run it's not good for Mayo. Holmes and Connelly had held the high ground since they left; maybe they were hounded to speak on it but I think everyone comes out of this saga tarnished; the players, the management . . . it doesn't do anyone any favours."

Back when h&c were appointed, many Mayo posters said there was trouble ahead. Moy said they were dead men walking and this proved to be true. A lot of the "experts" here have been been spouting BS since h&c went public who haven't a clue about what has been going on. It's a wonder the players didn't rear up a lot sooner. I'd give Tomas maybe 5 out of 10 and he wasn't the worst by a long shot.

Absolute bollocks.

You are burying your head in the sand.

Managers should be judged on the results and performances of their side, their Championship performances were on a par at least with what went before and came afterwards.

The real reason for the coup seems to be that certain players egos were not massaged and they exercised perceived personal grievances with the management team by threatening a strike to have them removed. That is unacceptable but a lot here are completely burying their heads in the sand.

It is not the remit of players to have input in team selections.
It is not the remit of players to have a say in removing management teams.
It is not the remit of players to have a say in the appointment of management teams.

These are the issues the Mayo posters here will not address, all that is being proffered as justification is cryptic and vague hints that there was more behind it that what is in the public domain. The fact is that unless you were in the camp and knew what happened, you are taking leaps of faith and the leaps of faith seem to be very subjective to those of the players from the Mayo posters here. There doesn't seem to be anything concrete behind what they are putting forward, just the side of the story they'd like to believe.

I'm a pragmatist and that's why I have to side with Holmes and Connelly on this matter, nothing justifies the actions of the Mayo players on this, it is not their business to decide management teams and the results and the performances are the only substantive measure for managers, in their only season Holmes and Connelly did as well as any management team - past or present. A personality clash between certain players and management is the only obvious reason for this.

I have never heard one of these players making an excuse or blaming a referee.

http://www.sportsfile.com/id/795375/

"Mayo's Cillian O'Connor and Barry Moran, right, confront referee Joe McQuillan as he looks at his watch after the final whistle."

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/ref-told-cillian-there-was-time-left-moran-claims-607829.html

That's it heffo. That's all you could find. An explanation why O' Connor went for a point instead of a goal. Jaysus lads ye are clutching at straws

[Syferus]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

Some of the lads came out of the woodwork only to act as the Breaffy-Ballintubber Defense Force, Bunker, but you've been around here long enough to know that much of this sounds like the same shut-up-shop write-off-all-evidence craic the Tyronies do be at, right? You'd be laughing at the response if it was Roscommon or Galway supporters doing it if you're being honest. The players are far from blameless, everyone can see that. That ain't trolling, it's just a judgement based on the last two years of rumour, speculation and now concrete comments by those involved.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

I've already answered that, I said there would certainly seem to have been dubious circumstances around it.

I also said that if an in-house appointment was being made, there were not much better qualified candidates around - word on the street seemed to be that there was an issue between the squad and the other candidate involved due to one of his backroom team. This has not been touched on.

Also, irrespective of that, it does not justify the Mayo players role in that heave?

The panel member was from the same club and voted for the management team to go, he now acknowledges it was wrong, he has admitted his own role in this and expressed some contrition about it.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

Some of the lads came out of the woodwork only to act as the Breaffy-Ballintubber Defense Force, Bunker, but you've been around here to know how much of this sounds like the same shut-up-shop write-off-all-evidence craic the Tyronies do be at, right? You'd be laughing at the response if it was Roscommon or Galway supporters doing it if you're being honest. The players are far from blameless, everyone can see that. That ain't trolling, it's just a judgement based on the last two years of rumour, speculation and now concrete comments by those involved.

Bit rich from a guy who has sought to fabricate incidents when it has come to tarnish Tyrone to start pedaling that line.

[From the Bunker]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

Some of the lads came out of the woodwork only to act as the Breaffy-Ballintubber Defense Force, Bunker, but you've been around here to know how much of this sounds like the same shut-up-shop write-off-all-evidence craic the Tyronies do be at, right? You'd be laughing at the response if it was Roscommon or Galway supporters doing it if you're being honest. The players are far from blameless, everyone can see that. That ain't trolling, it's just a judgement based on the last two years of rumour, speculation and now concrete comments by those involved.

But the comments (on players) are not concrete. Most seem loaded, including the piece on Seamie O'Shea preferring Hennelly.  There is no mention of any player trying to push his weight around as to picking players. There are a list of idle comments by text and e-mail, but little else.

Once again - I ask - Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)? The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

[Il Bomber Destro]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

Some of the lads came out of the woodwork only to act as the Breaffy-Ballintubber Defense Force, Bunker, but you've been around here to know how much of this sounds like the same shut-up-shop write-off-all-evidence craic the Tyronies do be at, right? You'd be laughing at the response if it was Roscommon or Galway supporters doing it if you're being honest. The players are far from blameless, everyone can see that. That ain't trolling, it's just a judgement based on the last two years of rumour, speculation and now concrete comments by those involved.

But the comments (on players) are not concrete. Most seem loaded, including the piece on Seamie O'Shea preferring Hennelly.  There is no mention of any player trying to push his weight around as to picking players. There are a list of idle comments by text and e-mail, but little else.

Once again - I ask - Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)? The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

It doesn't impact on the rights or wrongs. You can certainly criticise the County Board for their role in the debacle but that has nothing to do with the Mayo team removing their management team - this is not and never should be in a playing squad's remit. What other viable choices were there in-house? McStay, we all know the story (true or not) with McHale. The 2013 minor management team?

Like it or lump it - Holmes and Connelly had a decent stock behind them. They managed Mayo to an All Ireland U21 title and Holmes had just brought Castlebar to an All Ireland club final that year. It's not as if it was an unbelievable left of field appointment.

[moysider]

Brilliantly said Criostlinn.Nail on the head and all that.

Agree. You nailed it Criostlinn.

[From the Bunker]

Bomber,Save your self the trouble of posting any more.WE get it.You and your 2 buddies support the managers no matter what the circumstances are.'The saying there is no man so blind as the man who will not see' applies here

I support the managers on this BECAUSE of what the circumstances are, I am a pragmatist.

You and those who refuse to condemn the role of the players are the ones who are unconcerned with what happened, you are ostriches who will back the players no matter that there is no justification for what they did. Even a panel member who voted against the management has since came out and admitted in hindsight that they were out of order.

A panel member from the same club as Holmes! A panel member who had some idea that this article was coming.

Now IBD, Answer me this and answer me this only. Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?

Some of the lads came out of the woodwork only to act as the Breaffy-Ballintubber Defense Force, Bunker, but you've been around here to know how much of this sounds like the same shut-up-shop write-off-all-evidence craic the Tyronies do be at, right? You'd be laughing at the response if it was Roscommon or Galway supporters doing it if you're being honest. The players are far from blameless, everyone can see that. That ain't trolling, it's just a judgement based on the last two years of rumour, speculation and now concrete comments by those involved.

But the comments (on players) are not concrete. Most seem loaded, including the piece on Seamie O'Shea preferring Hennelly.  There is no mention of any player trying to push his weight around as to picking players. There are a list of idle comments by text and e-mail, but little else.

Once again - I ask - Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)? The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

It doesn't impact on the rights or wrongs. You can certainly criticise the County Board for their role in the debacle but that has nothing to do with the Mayo team removing their management team - this is not and never should be in a playing squad's remit. What other viable choices were there in-house? McStay, we all know the story (true or not) with McHale. The 2013 minor management team?

Like it or lump it - Holmes and Connelly had a decent stock behind them. They managed Mayo to an All Ireland U21 title and Holmes had just brought Castlebar to an All Ireland club final that year. It's not as if it was an unbelievable left of field appointment.

I asked you - 'Do you think that H & C were given the Job(s) through the correct process(es)?' The answer to this leads to the rights and wrongs of the situation that ensued!

In any other situation the Players would have been wrong. The process selection was flawed and left H &C with an uphill battle from the start. The Credibility of H & C was damaged from the start. Unfortunately for them they were an appointment of convenience by the County Board. And are the victims of this mess. Bringing this back into the public domain has reinforced how corrupt the whole mess was at the start (the selection process). They (H & C) should have bit their lip! Just like Horan Bit his lip after the Cormac Reilly Fiasco in Limerick. It hurt him bad but speaking his (Horans) mind would have got him no where.

[Lar Naparka]

Yeah not good from Tomas.Must have had a fair scatter of pints drank when he wrote that article.

From my reading of the article he puts the blame on H&C for sh1tstirring, laying lie to the claim that they were doing it for the "good of Mayo football " .
Ok,the CB got it badly wrong initially but that to me is a seperate debate .
He says and I quote -

"But in the long run it's not good for Mayo. Holmes and Connelly had held the high ground since they left; maybe they were hounded to speak on it but I think everyone comes out of this saga tarnished; the players, the management . . . it doesn't do anyone any favours."

Back when h&c were appointed, many Mayo posters said there was trouble ahead. Moy said they were dead men walking and this proved to be true. A lot of the "experts" here have been been spouting BS since h&c went public who haven't a clue about what has been going on. It's a wonder the players didn't rear up a lot sooner. I'd give Tomas maybe 5 out of 10 and he wasn't the worst by a long shot.

Absolute bollocks.

You are burying your head in the sand.

Managers should be judged on the results and performances of their side, their Championship performances were on a par at least with what went before and came afterwards.

The real reason for the coup seems to be that certain players egos were not massaged and they exercised perceived personal grievances with the management team by threatening a strike to have them removed. That is unacceptable but a lot here are completely burying their heads in the sand.

It is not the remit of players to have input in team selections.
It is not the remit of players to have a say in removing management teams.
It is not the remit of players to have a say in the appointment of management teams.

These are the issues the Mayo posters here will not address, all that is being proffered as justification is cryptic and vague hints that there was more behind it that what is in the public domain. The fact is that unless you were in the camp and knew what happened, you are taking leaps of faith and the leaps of faith seem to be very subjective to those of the players from the Mayo posters here. There doesn't seem to be anything concrete behind what they are putting forward, just the side of the story they'd like to believe.

I'm a pragmatist and that's why I have to side with Holmes and Connelly on this matter, nothing justifies the actions of the Mayo players on this, it is not their business to decide management teams and the results and the performances are the only substantive measure for managers, in their only season Holmes and Connelly did as well as any management team - past or present. A personality clash between certain players and management is the only obvious reason for this.

Well fair play Syferus, this is your best alias yet!
Honestly I did think there was a clone of your here but really there just couldn't be another loose cannon like you on the board. Maybe you'd make a New Year's resolution to bugger off and waste your time somewhere else.
Oh and a Happy New Year to you by the way.