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« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2019, 01:37:41 PM »
Don't think anyone divides opinion as much as Cillian O'Connor.

I think he is a superb marksman - not a superb all rounder but if you are looking a man to put the ball over the bar he is deadly.

Last week showed him up in terms of his lack of pace but when he gets the ball there are few better

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« Reply #61 on: July 19, 2019, 01:39:57 PM »
Don't think anyone divides opinion as much as Cillian O'Connor.

He certainly does. But the way people are bending over backwards to argue with the basic facts and figures of him being top scorer just because they don't like him is bizarre to say the least. Like him or loathe him, he is the top scorer. It is just a fact.

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« Reply #62 on: July 19, 2019, 01:48:33 PM »
For reference:

Rank    Player              Team     Scores   Tally   Games   Era              Average
1   Colm Cooper      Kerry      23-283   352   84 games   2002-2017    4.1
2   Cillian O'Connor      Mayo     23-274   343   49 games   2011-           7.1
3   Mikey Sheehy      Kerry       29-205   292   49 games   1973-1988           6
4   John Doyle              Kildare     8-260   284   67 games   1999-2014    4.2
5   Padraig Joyce      Galway     12-229   265   66 games   1997-2012    4
6   Bernard Brogan      Dublin     21-196   259   58 games   2006-           4.5
7   Paddy Bradley      Derry     17-202   253   44 games   1999-2012    5.8
8   Steven McDonnell  Armagh     18-197   251   67 games   1999-2011    3.7
9   Maurice Fitzgerald Kerry     12-205   241   45 games   1988-2001    5.4
10   Conor McManus      Monaghan 7-227   248   56 games   2005-           4.5
11   Brian Stafford      Meath     9-206   233   41 games   1986-1995           5.7
12   Oisin McConville      Armagh     11-197   230   52 games   1994-2008           4.4
13   Jimmy Keaveney   Dublin     15-182   227   42 games   1964-1980    5.4
14   Peter Canavan      Tyrone     9-192   219   58 games   1989-2005    3.8
15   Sean Cavanagh      Tyrone     9-181   208   89 games   2002-2017    2.3
16   Dean Rock              Dublin     8-177   197   39 games   2013-           5.2
17   Colin Corkery      Cork     5-182   197   32 games   1993-2004           6.2
18   Ross Munnelly      Laois     6-174   192   74 games   2003-           2.6
19   Michael Murphy      Donegal     3-188   197   53 games   2007-           3.7
20   Dara O'Cinneide      Kerry     11-149   182   54 games   1995-2005    3.4
21   Matt Connor      Offaly     13-142   181   26 games   1978-1984    7
22   Pat Spillane      Kerry     19-123   180   56 games   1974-1991    3.2

One of the stand outs for me on the list. What would he have scored if he ever got the chance to play 50 games?

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« Reply #63 on: July 19, 2019, 01:50:47 PM »
For reference:

Rank    Player              Team     Scores   Tally   Games   Era              Average
1   Colm Cooper      Kerry      23-283   352   84 games   2002-2017    4.1
2   Cillian O'Connor      Mayo     23-274   343   49 games   2011-           7.1
3   Mikey Sheehy      Kerry       29-205   292   49 games   1973-1988           6
4   John Doyle              Kildare     8-260   284   67 games   1999-2014    4.2
5   Padraig Joyce      Galway     12-229   265   66 games   1997-2012    4
6   Bernard Brogan      Dublin     21-196   259   58 games   2006-           4.5
7   Paddy Bradley      Derry     17-202   253   44 games   1999-2012    5.8
8   Steven McDonnell  Armagh     18-197   251   67 games   1999-2011    3.7
9   Maurice Fitzgerald Kerry     12-205   241   45 games   1988-2001    5.4
10   Conor McManus      Monaghan 7-227   248   56 games   2005-           4.5
11   Brian Stafford      Meath     9-206   233   41 games   1986-1995           5.7
12   Oisin McConville      Armagh     11-197   230   52 games   1994-2008           4.4
13   Jimmy Keaveney   Dublin     15-182   227   42 games   1964-1980    5.4
14   Peter Canavan      Tyrone     9-192   219   58 games   1989-2005    3.8
15   Sean Cavanagh      Tyrone     9-181   208   89 games   2002-2017    2.3
16   Dean Rock              Dublin     8-177   197   39 games   2013-           5.2
17   Colin Corkery      Cork     5-182   197   32 games   1993-2004           6.2
18   Ross Munnelly      Laois     6-174   192   74 games   2003-           2.6
19   Michael Murphy      Donegal     3-188   197   53 games   2007-           3.7
20   Dara O'Cinneide      Kerry     11-149   182   54 games   1995-2005    3.4
21   Matt Connor      Offaly     13-142   181   26 games   1978-1984    7
22   Pat Spillane      Kerry     19-123   180   56 games   1974-1991    3.2

One of the stand outs for me on the list. What would he have scored if he ever got the chance to play 50 games?

348 points leaving him in second place and above the Gooch

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« Reply #64 on: July 19, 2019, 01:59:06 PM »
For reference:

Rank    Player              Team     Scores   Tally   Games   Era              Average
1   Colm Cooper      Kerry      23-283   352   84 games   2002-2017    4.1
2   Cillian O'Connor      Mayo     23-274   343   49 games   2011-           7.1
3   Mikey Sheehy      Kerry       29-205   292   49 games   1973-1988           6
4   John Doyle              Kildare     8-260   284   67 games   1999-2014    4.2
5   Padraig Joyce      Galway     12-229   265   66 games   1997-2012    4
6   Bernard Brogan      Dublin     21-196   259   58 games   2006-           4.5
7   Paddy Bradley      Derry     17-202   253   44 games   1999-2012    5.8
8   Steven McDonnell  Armagh     18-197   251   67 games   1999-2011    3.7
9   Maurice Fitzgerald Kerry     12-205   241   45 games   1988-2001    5.4
10   Conor McManus      Monaghan 7-227   248   56 games   2005-           4.5
11   Brian Stafford      Meath     9-206   233   41 games   1986-1995           5.7
12   Oisin McConville      Armagh     11-197   230   52 games   1994-2008           4.4
13   Jimmy Keaveney   Dublin     15-182   227   42 games   1964-1980    5.4
14   Peter Canavan      Tyrone     9-192   219   58 games   1989-2005    3.8
15   Sean Cavanagh      Tyrone     9-181   208   89 games   2002-2017    2.3
16   Dean Rock              Dublin     8-177   197   39 games   2013-           5.2
17   Colin Corkery      Cork     5-182   197   32 games   1993-2004           6.2
18   Ross Munnelly      Laois     6-174   192   74 games   2003-           2.6
19   Michael Murphy      Donegal     3-188   197   53 games   2007-           3.7
20   Dara O'Cinneide      Kerry     11-149   182   54 games   1995-2005    3.4
21   Matt Connor      Offaly     13-142   181   26 games   1978-1984    7
22   Pat Spillane      Kerry     19-123   180   56 games   1974-1991    3.2

One of the stand outs for me on the list. What would he have scored if he ever got the chance to play 50 games?

348 points leaving him in second place and above the Gooch

He was only 24 when his career was unfortunately cut short and many forwards improve their scoring by mid 20s.

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« Reply #65 on: July 19, 2019, 02:34:32 PM »
Don't think anyone divides opinion as much as Cillian O'Connor.

I think his behaviour on the field definitely counts against him. At least in the court of public opinion.

As an aside how many of the 22 players on that top scorers list would people select ahead of COC if it was a straight selection?

I mean it's a strange one. Is he even the best Mayo forward of the modern era. I imagine plenty would select McDonald ahead of him and some might even pick Andy Moran.

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« Reply #66 on: July 19, 2019, 02:42:06 PM »
For reference:

Rank    Player              Team     Scores   Tally   Games   Era              Average
1   Colm Cooper      Kerry      23-283   352   84 games   2002-2017    4.1
2   Cillian O'Connor      Mayo     23-274   343   49 games   2011-           7.1
3   Mikey Sheehy      Kerry       29-205   292   49 games   1973-1988           6
4   John Doyle              Kildare     8-260   284   67 games   1999-2014    4.2
5   Padraig Joyce      Galway     12-229   265   66 games   1997-2012    4
6   Bernard Brogan      Dublin     21-196   259   58 games   2006-           4.5
7   Paddy Bradley      Derry     17-202   253   44 games   1999-2012    5.8
8   Steven McDonnell  Armagh     18-197   251   67 games   1999-2011    3.7
9   Maurice Fitzgerald Kerry     12-205   241   45 games   1988-2001    5.4
10   Conor McManus      Monaghan 7-227   248   56 games   2005-           4.5
11   Brian Stafford      Meath     9-206   233   41 games   1986-1995           5.7
12   Oisin McConville      Armagh     11-197   230   52 games   1994-2008           4.4
13   Jimmy Keaveney   Dublin     15-182   227   42 games   1964-1980    5.4
14   Peter Canavan      Tyrone     9-192   219   58 games   1989-2005    3.8
15   Sean Cavanagh      Tyrone     9-181   208   89 games   2002-2017    2.3
16   Dean Rock              Dublin     8-177   197   39 games   2013-           5.2
17   Colin Corkery      Cork     5-182   197   32 games   1993-2004           6.2
18   Ross Munnelly      Laois     6-174   192   74 games   2003-           2.6
19   Michael Murphy      Donegal     3-188   197   53 games   2007-           3.7
20   Dara O'Cinneide      Kerry     11-149   182   54 games   1995-2005    3.4
21   Matt Connor      Offaly     13-142   181   26 games   1978-1984    7
22   Pat Spillane      Kerry     19-123   180   56 games   1974-1991    3.2

One of the stand outs for me on the list. What would he have scored if he ever got the chance to play 50 games?

348 points leaving him in second place and above the Gooch

He was only 24 when his career was unfortunately cut short and many forwards improve their scoring by mid 20s.

he is second in average tp Cillian .My impression is its a lot easier to get frees now than in Matt's day .
Maurice Fitzgerald  was probably as good a free taker but I suppose its because he often played in poor enough Kerry teams  and pre back door he only played 45 games?
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« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2019, 02:42:54 PM »
Don't think anyone divides opinion as much as Cillian O'Connor.

I think his behaviour on the field definitely counts against him. At least in the court of public opinion.

As an aside how many of the 22 players on that top scorers list would people select ahead of COC if it was a straight selection?

I mean it's a strange one. Is he even the best Mayo forward of the modern era. I imagine plenty would select McDonald ahead of him and some might even pick Andy Moran.
that would be just a count of how many people were wrong
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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2019, 02:45:25 PM »
Don't think anyone divides opinion as much as Cillian O'Connor.

I think his behaviour on the field definitely counts against him. At least in the court of public opinion.

As an aside how many of the 22 players on that top scorers list would people select ahead of COC if it was a straight selection?

I mean it's a strange one. Is he even the best Mayo forward of the modern era. I imagine plenty would select McDonald ahead of him and some might even pick Andy Moran.

McDonald more flash and Moran more clever, but O'Connor is easily more clinical than both. O'Connor has a harder edge than both too, which like it or loathe it, it's what you need at the highest level. I would pick O'Connor over either.

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« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2019, 03:21:11 PM »
Don't think anyone divides opinion as much as Cillian O'Connor.

I think his behaviour on the field definitely counts against him. At least in the court of public opinion.

As an aside how many of the 22 players on that top scorers list would people select ahead of COC if it was a straight selection?

I mean it's a strange one. Is he even the best Mayo forward of the modern era. I imagine plenty would select McDonald ahead of him and some might even pick Andy Moran.

He'll go down as a Mayo great but he's not in the same class as the best forwards of the last 10 years like Murphy, McManus & Brogan and even now I wouldn't find it too difficult to name 10 other forwards I'd take over him.

According to Colm Keys he averages about 1 point from play per game.

 

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« Reply #70 on: July 19, 2019, 07:25:33 PM »
Don't think anyone divides opinion as much as Cillian O'Connor.

I think his behaviour on the field definitely counts against him. At least in the court of public opinion.

As an aside how many of the 22 players on that top scorers list would people select ahead of COC if it was a straight selection?

I mean it's a strange one. Is he even the best Mayo forward of the modern era. I imagine plenty would select McDonald ahead of him and some might even pick Andy Moran.

He'll go down as a Mayo great but he's not in the same class as the best forwards of the last 10 years like Murphy, McManus & Brogan and even now I wouldn't find it too difficult to name 10 other forwards I'd take over him.

According to Colm Keys he averages about 1 point from play per game.
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« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2019, 08:00:27 PM »
Don't think anyone divides opinion as much as Cillian O'Connor.

I think his behaviour on the field definitely counts against him. At least in the court of public opinion.

As an aside how many of the 22 players on that top scorers list would people select ahead of COC if it was a straight selection?

I mean it's a strange one. Is he even the best Mayo forward of the modern era. I imagine plenty would select McDonald ahead of him and some might even pick Andy Moran.

He'll go down as a Mayo great but he's not in the same class as the best forwards of the last 10 years like Murphy, McManus & Brogan and even now I wouldn't find it too difficult to name 10 other forwards I'd take over him.

According to Colm Keys he averages about 1 point from play per game.

 

Those 10 players wouldn't get as many scores as Cillian - fact.
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« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2019, 08:15:17 PM »
So Mayo the perennial softies who got kicked around the field by all in sundry, finally have a player who meets fire with fire, and all of a sudden he’s the biggest cvnt who ever played

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« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2019, 10:06:59 PM »
Don't think anyone divides opinion as much as Cillian O'Connor.

I think his behaviour on the field definitely counts against him. At least in the court of public opinion.

As an aside how many of the 22 players on that top scorers list would people select ahead of COC if it was a straight selection?

I mean it's a strange one. Is he even the best Mayo forward of the modern era. I imagine plenty would select McDonald ahead of him and some might even pick Andy Moran.

He'll go down as a Mayo great but he's not in the same class as the best forwards of the last 10 years like Murphy, McManus & Brogan and even now I wouldn't find it too difficult to name 10 other forwards I'd take over him.

According to Colm Keys he averages about 1 point from play per game.

He actually averages just over 2 points from play per game. Also, there was a piece in the Mayo News this week saying if you exclude games against London and New York his average in total and from play is higher.

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« Reply #74 on: July 19, 2019, 10:32:11 PM »
COC is a good player but stats can be misleading.

All the top players even in modern time Cooper,Brogan,Canavan etc were players who delivered in All Ireland finals (from play)

COC is decent (not great at frees) and has had how many qualifier games to build up his scoring total compared to his peers.

The ultimate indictment of COC for me is that he lacks pace and cant get a point out of nothing like a Brogan or a Cooper with his speed. Also come All Ireland final day when Mayo needed him he has buckled on his frees compared to Brogan, Cooper, Canavan etc. who delivered when really needed