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sid waddell

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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2015, 11:32:55 AM »
Have they always called it the golden boot?
If it's called the Golden Boot, any scores which were not scored with the boot should be taken away. That would rule out O'Connor's shinner goal against Dublin, thus giving the award to Quigley.

Perhaps a separate "Golden Shin" award could be set up for scores obtained by use of the shin, and a separate "Golden Fist" award set up for those horrible handpassed points.
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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2015, 11:40:07 AM »
Would Quigley not lose his goal for barging Cluxton over the line too if that were the case ;-)

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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2015, 11:53:24 AM »
Quigley might have won it comfortably if he was more with clinical the frees. He missed a few bad ones against Monaghan, Westmeath.  He was suppose to have been poor in the first half against Roscommon too.

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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2015, 11:54:15 AM »
Cillian O'Connor deserves the award for the simple reason that he scored more than anyone else. Quigley scored his total in 6 games, whereas O'Connor only had 5 games...However, that doesn't take away from the fact that Quigley had a great year.

I disagree.  This award simply rewards the person who ends up scoring the most frees.
So.... They all count in a game.
How many teams lose games bemoaning the lack of a decent 9 out of 10 freetaker?

Not taking away the role of a free taker, I take them myself, but if somebody asks me what did I score in any given game I am reluctant to count the frees.  You are measured by what you score from play.  Maybe they should have an award for best free taker and one for top scorer from play.
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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2015, 11:59:09 AM »
Cillian O'Connor deserves the award for the simple reason that he scored more than anyone else. Quigley scored his total in 6 games, whereas O'Connor only had 5 games...However, that doesn't take away from the fact that Quigley had a great year.

I disagree.  This award simply rewards the person who ends up scoring the most frees.
So.... They all count in a game.
How many teams lose games bemoaning the lack of a decent 9 out of 10 freetaker?

Not taking away the role of a free taker, I take them myself, but if somebody asks me what did I score in any given game I am reluctant to count the frees.  You are measured by what you score from play.  Maybe they should have an award for best free taker and one for top scorer from play.

Bullshit, you need someone to take the pressure frees, the difficult frees, as well as the easy 13m in front of the posts. I used take frees, and I'd always say I scored x, y from play.

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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2015, 12:34:50 PM »
Cillian O'Connor deserves the award for the simple reason that he scored more than anyone else. Quigley scored his total in 6 games, whereas O'Connor only had 5 games...However, that doesn't take away from the fact that Quigley had a great year.

I disagree.  This award simply rewards the person who ends up scoring the most frees.
So.... They all count in a game.
How many teams lose games bemoaning the lack of a decent 9 out of 10 freetaker?

Not taking away the role of a free taker, I take them myself, but if somebody asks me what did I score in any given game I am reluctant to count the frees.  You are measured by what you score from play.  Maybe they should have an award for best free taker and one for top scorer from play.

miss your free and people wont be slow to remind you of how many you had ,

for another thread but who would have won recent allIreland if free did not count,
eg Cluxtons last min free v kerry
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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2015, 12:37:35 PM »
Cillian O'Connor deserves the award for the simple reason that he scored more than anyone else. Quigley scored his total in 6 games, whereas O'Connor only had 5 games...However, that doesn't take away from the fact that Quigley had a great year.

I disagree.  This award simply rewards the person who ends up scoring the most frees.
So.... They all count in a game.
How many teams lose games bemoaning the lack of a decent 9 out of 10 freetaker?

Not taking away the role of a free taker, I take them myself, but if somebody asks me what did I score in any given game I am reluctant to count the frees.  You are measured by what you score from play.  Maybe they should have an award for best free taker and one for top scorer from play.

Bullshit, you need someone to take the pressure frees, the difficult frees, as well as the easy 13m in front of the posts. I used take frees, and I'd always say I scored x, y from play.

At our quarter final club game against Slaughtneil I'd say more wides were kicked from frees by both teams than were kicked wide from play and none of them were high pressure kicks in the slightest.

A 9/10 free kicker is one of the most important players on the pitch in my opinion.
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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2015, 01:22:32 PM »

There is either an award for top scorer or not.

The criterion is simple. Who scores most in championship wins the award. That is the only consideration.  All scores are weighted equally. No use bleating about it, that is the way it is. The award does not take into account scores from play being more worthy or the quality of the opposition. Good luck to anybody trying to work on a realistic system for that. Like were scores v Kildare in Cork match more worthy than scores in Kildare v Kerry when Kildare imploded. Like how does one even go about appraising the quality of a team in the first place and then reviewing that from game to game?   

The award is what it is and doesn t mean that COC is 'better' than Quigley, Brogan etc. He happened to score more. So what?

Fair play to Cillian. Some of those frees were class and he stuck 2 fine goals from play I remember and a cool pressure penalty as well.

Look, I doubt any of us are doing backflips over this. The award is what it is though.

It used he be the case in football, dunno if it is anymore, with regards to European golden boot that goals scored in certain leagues were weighted now or less than others. Eg in Scotland a goal was worth one point but 1.5 in england

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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2015, 04:52:39 PM »
If it's called the Golden Boot, any scores which were not scored with the boot should be taken away. That would rule out O'Connor's shinner goal against Dublin, thus giving the award to Quigley.

Perhaps a separate "Golden Shin" award could be set up for scores obtained by use of the shin

Ah, I see!
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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2015, 11:14:06 AM »
Would Quigley not lose his goal for barging Cluxton over the line too if that were the case ;-)

Actually this was officially given as an OG to Cluxton although some newpaper reports credited Quigley. If he had been given this one he would have ended up with 3-36 and won, hard to argue though given that he didn't actually touch the ball. In interviews after he said he wasn't sure what happened but he thinks Cluxton must have somehow stumbled - a response like that just adds to his likeability imo!

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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2015, 12:58:05 PM »
Marquee forward

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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2015, 02:08:50 PM »
Marquee forward

He scored 2-15 against you this year.

Fairly shite alright.
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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2015, 08:09:02 PM »
There is a lot of golden boots flying in Mayo this weather.

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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2019, 07:39:59 PM »
Did Cillian's two points yesterday make him the top scorer of all time in the championship?

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Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2019, 07:59:37 PM »
Did Cillian's two points yesterday make him the top scorer of all time in the championship?

No...still 9 points short.