Rugby world cup 2015

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when you watch that game you realise the absolute delusion that Ireland would be capable of beating either team

OR the delusion that Argentina are anywhere near that level.

Closer then we are- maybe that's not saying much. Difference is they are only getting better now with a team in the Super 15 next year for the first time. Being beaten by 20 points by a team way off that level tells us all the absolute bullshit spun about rugby in Ireland

Every chance Japan will pass Ireland out too in the coming years.

Anyway we have the Coca Cola Cup (6 nations) to look forward to in the Spring

lads whatever about the difference between southern hemisphere and northern hemisphere, thats another story, but the "bullshit spun" about rugby in Ireland wasnt just generated in Ireland! we were back to back 6 nations champions and ranked 2nd in the world coming into that world cup. we got savaged by injuries in a way that would have affected any team. a lot of bullshit being spun on this thread about how bad Ireland are IMO.

[Canalman]

when you watch that game you realise the absolute delusion that Ireland would be capable of beating either team

OR the delusion that Argentina are anywhere near that level.

Closer then we are- maybe that's not saying much. Difference is they are only getting better now with a team in the Super 15 next year for the first time. Being beaten by 20 points by a team way off that level tells us all the absolute bullshit spun about rugby in Ireland

Every chance Japan will pass Ireland out too in the coming years.

Anyway we have the Coca Cola Cup (6 nations) to look forward to in the Spring

lads whatever about the difference between southern hemisphere and northern hemisphere, thats another story, but the "bullshit spun" about rugby in Ireland wasnt just generated in Ireland! we were back to back 6 nations champions and ranked 2nd in the world coming into that world cup. we got savaged by injuries in a way that would have affected any team. a lot of bullshit being spun on this thread about how bad Ireland are IMO.

Ireland have NEVER EVER won a knockout game in the WC since it began. In a 8/9 team tournament we have never gotten past the last eight.

Once again the happy clappy dribble is beginning. No doubt we will beat some SH team in a friendly in November in a year or two and the hype will begin again.

The vast amount of GAA senior club teams imo get more critical attention than the Irish rugby team.

[screenexile]

when you watch that game you realise the absolute delusion that Ireland would be capable of beating either team

OR the delusion that Argentina are anywhere near that level.

Closer then we are- maybe that's not saying much. Difference is they are only getting better now with a team in the Super 15 next year for the first time. Being beaten by 20 points by a team way off that level tells us all the absolute bullshit spun about rugby in Ireland

Every chance Japan will pass Ireland out too in the coming years.

Anyway we have the Coca Cola Cup (6 nations) to look forward to in the Spring

lads whatever about the difference between southern hemisphere and northern hemisphere, thats another story, but the "bullshit spun" about rugby in Ireland wasnt just generated in Ireland! we were back to back 6 nations champions and ranked 2nd in the world coming into that world cup. we got savaged by injuries in a way that would have affected any team. a lot of bullshit being spun on this thread about how bad Ireland are IMO.

Ireland have NEVER EVER won a knockout game in the WC since it began. In a 8/9 team tournament we have never gotten past the last eight.

Once again the happy clappy dribble is beginning. No doubt we will beat some SH team in a friendly in November in a year or two and the hype will begin again.

The vast amount of GAA senior club teams imo get more critical attention than the Irish rugby team.

What are you people on about? The newspapers have been riddled with criticism of Schmidt's tactics, lack of quality in the 6 Nations and Ireland's failure to deliver a team with the skills required to beat a Southern Hemisphere team.

The only difference is it's actually constructive criticism and the manager isn't the one shouldering the blame!! Compare that to Gaelic where Mayo have been a top team for the last 5 years and the smallest margins mean they haven't reached the summit and people reckon they may as well give up!!

Ireland have a lot of work to do but we have a great coach (who by hook or by crook we need to keep in place for the next 4 years) and hopefully some decent young players coming through over the next few years which should allow us to build something better for 2019.

Yes we've lost O'Connell, Ross and Best but the rest will still be around and I think if we can get somebody better than Devin Toner in beside  Henderson we will still be a force!

[Syferus]

when you watch that game you realise the absolute delusion that Ireland would be capable of beating either team

OR the delusion that Argentina are anywhere near that level.

Closer then we are- maybe that's not saying much. Difference is they are only getting better now with a team in the Super 15 next year for the first time. Being beaten by 20 points by a team way off that level tells us all the absolute bullshit spun about rugby in Ireland

Every chance Japan will pass Ireland out too in the coming years.

Anyway we have the Coca Cola Cup (6 nations) to look forward to in the Spring

lads whatever about the difference between southern hemisphere and northern hemisphere, thats another story, but the "bullshit spun" about rugby in Ireland wasnt just generated in Ireland! we were back to back 6 nations champions and ranked 2nd in the world coming into that world cup. we got savaged by injuries in a way that would have affected any team. a lot of bullshit being spun on this thread about how bad Ireland are IMO.

Ireland have NEVER EVER won a knockout game in the WC since it began. In a 8/9 team tournament we have never gotten past the last eight.

Once again the happy clappy dribble is beginning. No doubt we will beat some SH team in a friendly in November in a year or two and the hype will begin again.

The vast amount of GAA senior club teams imo get more critical attention than the Irish rugby team.

There's no such thing as friendlies in rugby.

[johnneycool]

when you watch that game you realise the absolute delusion that Ireland would be capable of beating either team

OR the delusion that Argentina are anywhere near that level.

Closer then we are- maybe that's not saying much. Difference is they are only getting better now with a team in the Super 15 next year for the first time. Being beaten by 20 points by a team way off that level tells us all the absolute bullshit spun about rugby in Ireland

Every chance Japan will pass Ireland out too in the coming years.

Anyway we have the Coca Cola Cup (6 nations) to look forward to in the Spring

lads whatever about the difference between southern hemisphere and northern hemisphere, thats another story, but the "bullshit spun" about rugby in Ireland wasnt just generated in Ireland! we were back to back 6 nations champions and ranked 2nd in the world coming into that world cup. we got savaged by injuries in a way that would have affected any team. a lot of bullshit being spun on this thread about how bad Ireland are IMO.

Ireland have NEVER EVER won a knockout game in the WC since it began. In a 8/9 team tournament we have never gotten past the last eight.

Once again the happy clappy dribble is beginning. No doubt we will beat some SH team in a friendly in November in a year or two and the hype will begin again.

The vast amount of GAA senior club teams imo get more critical attention than the Irish rugby team.

There's no such thing as friendlies in rugby.

There is when we go there in June. No one seems to give a shit if the All Blacks give us a thumping in Wellington, but we cream ourselves if we get close to them in November!!!

[Estimator]

So Burgess is gone. Heading back to South Sydney.
Definitely doesn't reflect well on Lancaster or the RFU.

[AZOffaly]

So Burgess is gone. Heading back to South Sydney.
Definitely doesn't reflect well on Lancaster or the RFU.

Farcical.

[LeoMc]

No matter how good he was 1 year was not enough to get up to International standard in a different code.
Good luck to him, the pressure will be back off.

[johnneycool]

No matter how good he was 1 year was not enough to get up to International standard in a different code.
Good luck to him, the pressure will be back off.

Burgess coming in for a bit of criticism on 5 live this morning, being accused of using Bath as a gateway to playing in the Rugby Union world cup when he ultimately was going to go back to the RL as they've their world cup in two years time.

In saying that he's supposed to have family in Sydney and his girlfriend is an Aussie!

[Walter Cronc]

The mole with some great articles as usual.

http://dementedmole.com/

Good to see Leo Cullen giving the younger lads at Leinster a shot. Ringrose starting at 13 and Cian Kelleher on the wing v Scarlets.

[gallsman]

No matter how good he was 1 year was not enough to get up to International standard in a different code.
Good luck to him, the pressure will be back off.

Burgess coming in for a bit of criticism on 5 live this morning, being accused of using Bath as a gateway to playing in the Rugby Union world cup when he ultimately was going to go back to the RL as they've their world cup in two years time.

In saying that he's supposed to have family in Sydney and his girlfriend is an Aussie!

He has plenty of family there - his brothers recently signed contract extensions with the Rabbitohs until 2018! The ma lives there too, so it's not a convenient cover story.

It may well have been his long term plan to go back to League but the RFU and England set up have let him down badly. he should never have been selected in the first place and was then subsequently hung out to dry. If he'd been let develop, he could be an absolutely top class flanker.

[johnneycool]

No matter how good he was 1 year was not enough to get up to International standard in a different code.
Good luck to him, the pressure will be back off.

Burgess coming in for a bit of criticism on 5 live this morning, being accused of using Bath as a gateway to playing in the Rugby Union world cup when he ultimately was going to go back to the RL as they've their world cup in two years time.

In saying that he's supposed to have family in Sydney and his girlfriend is an Aussie!

He has plenty of family there - his brothers recently signed contract extensions with the Rabbitohs until 2018! The ma lives there too, so it's not a convenient cover story.

It may well have been his long term plan to go back to League but the RFU and England set up have let him down badly. he should never have been selected in the first place and was then subsequently hung out to dry. If he'd been let develop, he could be an absolutely top class flanker.

That was the thing, Bath started him out at centre and quickly realised that he was a much better flanker and he played there for them right up to his call up when Lancaster was at pains to say he was in the squad as a centre!

I think Lancaster was wanting crash ball from him, time and time again as is the current England want.

[gallsman]

No matter how good he was 1 year was not enough to get up to International standard in a different code.
Good luck to him, the pressure will be back off.

Burgess coming in for a bit of criticism on 5 live this morning, being accused of using Bath as a gateway to playing in the Rugby Union world cup when he ultimately was going to go back to the RL as they've their world cup in two years time.

In saying that he's supposed to have family in Sydney and his girlfriend is an Aussie!

He has plenty of family there - his brothers recently signed contract extensions with the Rabbitohs until 2018! The ma lives there too, so it's not a convenient cover story.

It may well have been his long term plan to go back to League but the RFU and England set up have let him down badly. he should never have been selected in the first place and was then subsequently hung out to dry. If he'd been let develop, he could be an absolutely top class flanker.

That was the thing, Bath started him out at centre and quickly realised that he was a much better flanker and he played there for them right up to his call up when Lancaster was at pains to say he was in the squad as a centre!

I think Lancaster was wanting crash ball from him, time and time again as is the current England want.

I think they saw him boss Sonny Bill in the last league world cup, figured SB plays centre in Union and then decided that he had to play centre. I don't think they're helped by the fact Farrell is the backs coach. He had a less than stellar Union career and was again someone who perhaps would have been better as a flanker than as the centre they tried to make him.

[deiseach]

Lancaster is gone. I initially thought he might survive, given he was a steady diplomat who had displayed some much-needed grace after the boorishness of Martin Johnson and was willing to work within the domestic players rule imposed on him by the Premiership clubs. But he was toast as soon as it became clear that he was making it up as he went along with regards to Sam Burgess. It's a pity. Ye Olde Fartonians will revert to someone who thinks being an asshole is a necessary condition for success.

[theskull1]

Have to say I always admired the humility of Lancaster