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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2015, 05:16:14 AM »
if they wish to live with a short distance of the mosque in Clonskeagh that is a different thing altogether.

Oh come on, they're not exactly demanding room service now, are they? Look at what they're going through just to get out of there.

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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2015, 05:46:43 AM »
if they wish to live with a short distance of the mosque in Clonskeagh that is a different thing altogether.

Oh come on, they're not exactly demanding room service now, are they? Look at what they're going through just to get out of there.

Many of them are  rioting in order not to stay in Hungary, why would they not also have a similar attitude to Leitrim?
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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2015, 06:07:15 AM »
If the Guards in Leitrim tried to stop them from legally moving from one part of the EU to another using train tickets that they've already paid for with what was probably the last of their money, yeah, they might riot in Leitrim. Bit of a hypothetical situation though.

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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2015, 06:10:05 AM »
If the Guards in Leitrim tried to stop them from legally moving from one part of the EU to another using train tickets that they've already paid for with what was probably the last of their money, yeah, they might riot in Leitrim. Bit of a hypothetical situation though.

But they are not legally moving to another part of the EU, they entered Hungary illegally and have not sought asylum. They are not legally in the EU at all. And they mostly didn't have train tickets, especially for the first class carriages featured in the TV pics.
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2015, 08:08:05 AM »
if they wish to live with a short distance of the mosque in Clonskeagh that is a different thing altogether.

Oh come on, they're not exactly demanding room service now, are they? Look at what they're going through just to get out of there.

Many of them are  rioting in order not to stay in Hungary, why would they not also have a similar attitude to Leitrim?

They didn't want to be corralled into a camp in Hungary. Big difference between that and your spin on things. I take it you would have no difficulty being housed indefinitely, without freedom, in a Hungarian camp marshalled by riot police?
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2015, 08:17:22 AM »
Nobody in Hungary is going to imprison refugees. But requiring them to follow the law and register is perfectly reasonable.
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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2015, 08:46:34 AM »
if they wish to live with a short distance of the mosque in Clonskeagh that is a different thing altogether.

Oh come on, they're not exactly demanding room service now, are they? Look at what they're going through just to get out of there.

Many of them are  rioting in order not to stay in Hungary, why would they not also have a similar attitude to Leitrim?

They didn't want to be corralled into a camp in Hungary. Big difference between that and your spin on things. I take it you would have no difficulty being housed indefinitely, without freedom, in a Hungarian camp marshalled by riot police?
After fleeing oppression on an inflatable dinghy would you not think it was a reasonable state of affairs to follow a bit of a process. Assuming they have access to clean water, food and a roof over their heads.

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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2015, 08:52:13 AM »
Ah, but the process might lead to living in a perfectly safe place, but but not perhaps your first choice.
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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2015, 09:21:23 AM »
Apparently some on the train to that camp in Hungary had been sold tickets to Munich.  :o

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« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2015, 10:04:09 AM »
Not much sympathy on the comments in the Guardian these days. Though in Britain there are far more media outlets and politicians railing against 'benefit cheats' and 'illegal migrants'.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/sep/04/refugee-migration-crisis-live-eu-biggest-test-since-second-world-war#comments

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« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2015, 11:05:47 AM »
Not much sympathy on the comments in the Guardian these days. Though in Britain there are far more media outlets and politicians railing against 'benefit cheats' and 'illegal migrants'.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/sep/04/refugee-migration-crisis-live-eu-biggest-test-since-second-world-war#comments
It is hard for a lot of people to separate "economic migrants" from E. Europe and refugees fleeing Syria. The Brits fear opening the gates will let them all in and someone will have to foot the bill for it. That's why I think there has to be a controlled stream into the host countries rather than letting thousands of people rock up to a train station with nowhere to stay etc.

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« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2015, 12:27:46 PM »
if they wish to live with a short distance of the mosque in Clonskeagh that is a different thing altogether.

Oh come on, they're not exactly demanding room service now, are they? Look at what they're going through just to get out of there.

Many of them are  rioting in order not to stay in Hungary, why would they not also have a similar attitude to Leitrim?

They didn't want to be corralled into a camp in Hungary. Big difference between that and your spin on things. I take it you would have no difficulty being housed indefinitely, without freedom, in a Hungarian camp marshalled by riot police?
After fleeing oppression on an inflatable dinghy would you not think it was a reasonable state of affairs to follow a bit of a process. Assuming they have access to clean water, food and a roof over their heads.

The reason they left in an inflatable dinghy is that they were trapped in process in Turkey, who would not issue them with exit visas. That idea of being trapped in a indefinitely in process, in a camp, in another country obviously didn't appeal to them and I would agree if I were in their shoes. They are people, not prisoners.
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« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2015, 01:54:29 PM »
Celtic have announced that they're donating the proceeds from the club's charity match with Dunfermline this weekend to help those affected by the current refugee crisis.

What a great gesture from the football club...

Celtic announced the news in a statement on the club's website saying that all their share of the proceeds from the Jock Stein 30th Anniversary Charity Match between Celtic Legends and Dunfermline on Sunday would go to an international aid agency.

They have cited the club's beginnings as one of the main reasons to donate the money to the people in need.

Celtic Chief Executive Peter Lawwell said: "Having seen the effects of this humanitarian crisis unfold in recent days, we felt as a club we should help in any way we can."

"None of us can understand the true horrors of this situation but as a club we wanted to show our support for those affected."

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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2015, 04:27:58 PM »
if they wish to live with a short distance of the mosque in Clonskeagh that is a different thing altogether.

Oh come on, they're not exactly demanding room service now, are they? Look at what they're going through just to get out of there.

Many of them are  rioting in order not to stay in Hungary, why would they not also have a similar attitude to Leitrim?

They didn't want to be corralled into a camp in Hungary. Big difference between that and your spin on things. I take it you would have no difficulty being housed indefinitely, without freedom, in a Hungarian camp marshalled by riot police?
After fleeing oppression on an inflatable dinghy would you not think it was a reasonable state of affairs to follow a bit of a process. Assuming they have access to clean water, food and a roof over their heads.

The reason they left in an inflatable dinghy is that they were trapped in process in Turkey, who would not issue them with exit visas. That idea of being trapped in a indefinitely in process, in a camp, in another country obviously didn't appeal to them and I would agree if I were in their shoes. They are people, not prisoners.

But there you have the problem. Great crowds of people who are unwilling to respect any legal processes seem rather threatening to residents of other places leading to some of the comments mentioned.
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« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2015, 07:58:05 PM »
if they wish to live with a short distance of the mosque in Clonskeagh that is a different thing altogether.

Oh come on, they're not exactly demanding room service now, are they? Look at what they're going through just to get out of there.

Many of them are  rioting in order not to stay in Hungary, why would they not also have a similar attitude to Leitrim?

They didn't want to be corralled into a camp in Hungary. Big difference between that and your spin on things. I take it you would have no difficulty being housed indefinitely, without freedom, in a Hungarian camp marshalled by riot police?
After fleeing oppression on an inflatable dinghy would you not think it was a reasonable state of affairs to follow a bit of a process. Assuming they have access to clean water, food and a roof over their heads.

The reason they left in an inflatable dinghy is that they were trapped in process in Turkey, who would not issue them with exit visas. That idea of being trapped in a indefinitely in process, in a camp, in another country obviously didn't appeal to them and I would agree if I were in their shoes. They are people, not prisoners.

But there you have the problem. Great crowds of people who are unwilling to respect any legal processes seem rather threatening to residents of other places leading to some of the comments mentioned.

And there you have the problem. People who take issue with, an issue (in this case the Turks won't allow them to leave), are deemed to be 'unwilling to respect any legal processes'.
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