Jeremy Corbyn

[mylestheslasher]

A politician with some principles, no wonder so many labour backbenchers in the UK are so upset. This guy might just ignite some people in the UK to vote that never voted before. Definitely interesting times ahead.

[Maguire01]

A politician with some principles, no wonder so many labour backbenchers in the UK are so upset. This guy might just ignite some people in the UK to vote that never voted before. Definitely interesting times ahead.

Yes, the demise of Labour.

[T Fearon]

Won't last a year.Will never keep the party together,and policies idiotic and unworkable (except in fantasy land).

[armaghniac]

It is not enough to have good intentions, you have to have a plan for achieving then. Corbyn is a hurler on the ditch, maybe good at pointing out issues but we'll see if he can actually do anything about them.

[magpie seanie]

Labour will never get elected unless they make some recovery in Scotland. That will never happen with right wing Blairites in charge.

And if I'm wrong and somehow it happens and you beat the Tories by becoming the Tories what's the point??

This is a good day. Corbyn's candidature has engaged people and captured imaginations. None of his opponents had anything to offer. He might not be able to get Labour elected but none of the others had a prayer either.

Labour need to be left leaning and frankly anyone who disagrees with that needs to leave.

[armaghniac]

Unfortunately the left has lost its way. Giving people a helping hand while they get themselves back in the game, becomes  handouts to scroungers who have no intention of making any effort. Helping refugees from a desperate situation becomes unlimited unrestricted immigration (see other thread).  Since people do not accept the latter those espousing these policies will not get elected, so won't achieve anything.

[From the Bunker]

One thing he does not look like is the leader of a Major British Political Party.

[T Fearon]

Left wing policies (much as compassion etc is to be admired) always lead to bankruptcy,as Thatcher once said,socialism is great as long as someone else pays for it.

With high taxes etc entrenpreneurs will leave in their droves creating mass unemployment etc

[bennydorano]

He's a fella I might have voted for when I was younger, single & idealistic, now being middle aged with mortgages, kids etc.. I look at the whole thing and think Labour have just lost the next 3 years and thon boy has as much chance as becoming PM as I have. I would fully expect a new Labour leader before the next General Election.

[T Fearon]

World is ill divided,always was always will be.Tax and spend always leads to bankruptcy.Of course Jeremy might alter his stance significantly,as pragmatism tends to set in the closer one gets to the levers of power,but I can't see him surviving more than a year.

[dferg]

Labour will never get elected unless they make some recovery in Scotland. That will never happen with right wing Blairites in charge.

And if I'm wrong and somehow it happens and you beat the Tories by becoming the Tories what's the point??

This is a good day. Corbyn's candidature has engaged people and captured imaginations. None of his opponents had anything to offer. He might not be able to get Labour elected but none of the others had a prayer either.

Labour need to be left leaning and frankly anyone who disagrees with that needs to leave.

Exactly.  Labour is not a football team were you have to support. Anyone who does not agree with its socialist principles shouldn't be in the Labour party any more than someone who is in Green party should be canvassing to cut down more trees. If Labour is not elected in the next election so be it, the alternative is a Labour party in name only.

[Syferus]

Labour will never get elected unless they make some recovery in Scotland. That will never happen with right wing Blairites in charge.

And if I'm wrong and somehow it happens and you beat the Tories by becoming the Tories what's the point??

This is a good day. Corbyn's candidature has engaged people and captured imaginations. None of his opponents had anything to offer. He might not be able to get Labour elected but none of the others had a prayer either.

Labour need to be left leaning and frankly anyone who disagrees with that needs to leave.

Exactly.  Labour is not a football team were you have to support. Anyone who does not agree with its socialist principles shouldn't be in the Labour party any more than someone who is in Green party should be canvassing to cut down more trees. If Labour is not elected in the next election so be it, the alternative is a Labour party in name only.

Ideological zealotry rarely ends well, for a party or for an electorate.

[dferg]

Labour will never get elected unless they make some recovery in Scotland. That will never happen with right wing Blairites in charge.

And if I'm wrong and somehow it happens and you beat the Tories by becoming the Tories what's the point??

This is a good day. Corbyn's candidature has engaged people and captured imaginations. None of his opponents had anything to offer. He might not be able to get Labour elected but none of the others had a prayer either.

Labour need to be left leaning and frankly anyone who disagrees with that needs to leave.

Exactly.  Labour is not a football team were you have to support. Anyone who does not agree with its socialist principles shouldn't be in the Labour party any more than someone who is in Green party should be canvassing to cut down more trees. If Labour is not elected in the next election so be it, the alternative is a Labour party in name only.

Ideological zealotry rarely ends well, for a party or for an electorate.

Which policies specifically do you disagree with?

[Main Street]

Left wing policies (much as compassion etc is to be admired) always lead to bankruptcy,as Thatcher once said,socialism is great as long as someone else pays for it.

Any proof, figures, facts to support all that drivel, Tony? except for a quote from Thatcher, one of the most hated British establishment political leaders, ever.
The primary cause of business bankruptcy  are the conditions that exist in  the bust period after the boom, increase in competition, poor business practice etc etc

With high taxes etc entrenpreneurs will leave in their droves creating mass unemployment etc

Some earners would be taxed at a higher rate
When income tax is high compared to company tax, the crafty entrepreneur will classify his/her earnings as company profit.
The entrepreneur has the flexibility to shift earnings but not the salaried employee.
Low tax rates do not have a plausible effect on a county's growth.
Countries that have high tax rates also have growth.
With corporations, the main economic drain is due to tax avoidance, do you have objections to a state at least trying to plug tax avoidance schemes? or do you support companies that earn billions in a state and somehow manage to avoid paying 90% of their rated tax?
Overall Corbyn's policies are quite mild and populist but seeks to make inroads  to reduce inequality, both social and economic in regards to
housing, health, education and employment. It is not a question will those polices damage society, it is a question of a labour government's ability or will  to actually implement them.
Respected research studies conclusively show that the social and economic conditions of citizens living in societies that effect a bit more social equality, are much improved over those in societies that harbor greater inequality.

[armaghniac]

Some earners would be taxed at a higher rate
When income tax is high compared to company tax, the crafty entrepreneur will classify his/her earnings as company profit.
The entrepreneur has the flexibility to shift earnings but not the salaried employee.
Low tax rates do not have a plausible effect on a county's growth.
Countries that have high tax rates also have growth.
With corporations, the main economic drain is due to tax avoidance, do you have objections to a state at least trying to plug tax avoidance schemes? or do you support companies that earn billions in a state and somehow manage to avoid paying 90% of their rated tax?
Overall Corbyn's policies are quite mild and populist but seeks to make inroads  to reduce inequality, both social and economic in regards to
housing, health, education and employment. It is not a question will those polices damage society, it is a question of a labour government's ability or will  to actually implement them.
Respected research studies conclusively show that the social and economic conditions of citizens living in societies that effect a bit more social equality, are much improved over those in societies that harbor greater inequality.

All economies grow, but for instance since 2000 the UK has grown by 32% and Denmark by 12%, the Blairite Labour might well have done better for its people than the Danes. I'll hazard a guess that Corbyn won't be talking much about growth, but rather about taking money off one set of people to give to another, by definition a zero sum game.

There is a real need for reform of taxes etc, but you need someone with strong focus on the detail  to do this correctly and zealots do not have this.