County Manager Merry go round

[tyrone08]

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

[bennydorano]

Is Gilligan ready for the N1 position? Different ballgame to being a coach among 3 or 4 contributing coaches. Donaghy supposedly gone from Armagh - which was expected anyway. I'd take a backroom refresh over finding a replacement for McGeeney.

Armagh only really pushed on when Donaghy got involved. McGeeney was there long enough at that stage.

He's manager over good days & bad, He's responsible for them all, coaches are coaches. We've had this type of revisionism in Armagh 20 years ago with Paul Grimley v Joe Kernan, the revisionists had Grimley as the mastermind.

[JoG2]

Derry county board and this senior job has become a bit of a drama this past few years.

A circus in fact.

So with that in mind, you'd be banking on a new team already in place and will be announced shortly.

[From the Bunker]

The unlucky thing for Derry is that Gallagher had assembled a decent squad, had them playing to a system, had given the players belief in themselves and just when they were about to go to the next level - Gallagher was gone mid championship and with him went most of what he had brought. Since then everyone who has came in has only (and I mean only) been keeping them afloat.

[Rossfan]

Oisín McConville staying with Wicklow for 2 more years.

End of the tales of Oisín and Frankie Dolan coming to Ros.

[EoinW]

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

Given Armagh's record in the youth competitions, McGeeney hasn't exactly had an overwhelming amount of talent to work with.  I'd say he's done extremely well developing the talent he has into a consistent contender.

[Captain Scarlet]

I was half thinking McConville might have fancied Louth...so that's a decent gig still up for grabs.

Lads are making moves either way. Ger Brennan surely wants Dublin. Donaghy would fancy the Kerry gig. But there's a lot of politicking to be done there to get those massive jobs.

How does this year compare to others in terms of vacancies. In my head I don't remember so many Div 1 & 2 teams on the hunt.

[God14]

The unlucky thing for Derry is that Gallagher had assembled a decent squad, had them playing to a system, had given the players belief in themselves and just when they were about to go to the next level - Gallagher was gone mid championship and with him went most of what he had brought. Since then everyone who has came in has only (and I mean only) been keeping them afloat.

The thing is, they are in need of a similar rebuild now. Mckaigue has retired, McFaul apparently gone too. Regardless he has been well short of his best the last two years
Goalkeeper lynch always injured. McGrogan and McCluskey won't be the same either. Even Rodgers is in the decline and wrong side of 30 now. The limitations of his previous side remain, overly reliant on 1 forward in Shane McGuigan.
A long way back for Derry. Whilst there has been some excellent underage players, none look immediately ready
If Gallagher is indeed reappointed he will be under pressure for immediate results, as many derry gaels will never accept him
It looks destined to end in failure

[JoG2]

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

Given Armagh's record in the youth competitions, McGeeney hasn't exactly had an overwhelming amount of talent to work with.  I'd say he's done extremely well developing the talent he has into a consistent contender.

But you dont always need success at underage to be successful at senior. All you need is a couple of players each year to bolster the squad.

[Ethan Tremblay]

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

Unlike Tyrone, Armagh don't seem to have the same rate of high standard players coming through from underage, he could only do so much in those early days.  As an Armagh man. to get them back competing is something in itself.     

You would imagine O'Rourke will be at the helm of Tyrone for 4/5years at least (barring a disaster).  On the back of 3 AI u20 winning sides I would expect big things from Tyrone in next few years. 

So far he has not won an Ulster and gotten them relegated from division 1.  Not a great start for him. 

 

[DaleCooper]

Derry like Galway had their chance and they blew it. End of the story end of the dream for those sets of players.


It's why the chat of Tyrone underage meaning Sam is guaranteed is pure nonsense. Nothing is ever guaranteed in sport.

[tyrone08]

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

Unlike Tyrone, Armagh don't seem to have the same rate of high standard players coming through from underage, he could only do so much in those early days.  As an Armagh man. to get them back competing is something in itself.     

You would imagine O'Rourke will be at the helm of Tyrone for 4/5years at least (barring a disaster).  On the back of 3 AI u20 winning sides I would expect big things from Tyrone in next few years. 

So far he has not won an Ulster and gotten them relegated from division 1.  Not a great start for him. 

 

Don't think any team would wait 5 years for a championship win. Armaagh had

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

Unlike Tyrone, Armagh don't seem to have the same rate of high standard players coming through from underage, he could only do so much in those early days.  As an Armagh man. to get them back competing is something in itself.     

You would imagine O'Rourke will be at the helm of Tyrone for 4/5years at least (barring a disaster).  On the back of 3 AI u20 winning sides I would expect big things from Tyrone in next few years. 

So far he has not won an Ulster and gotten them relegated from division 1.  Not a great start for him. 

 

Agree not a great start but don't think we will wait 5 years for a championship win without changing the manager. Armagh had good players during that period, don't think you can say its all down to the players. Good managers inspire players and develop tactics that suit the team. Mcgeeney was there in backroom from 2013 to 2015 then as manager from 2015 to now. Essentially 12 years without an ulster title.

[rodney trotter]

M McNeice, F Moriarty, C Vernon, A Mallon, J Morgan (0-01), C McKeever (0-01), S Campbell, A Findon (0-01), E Rafferty (0-01), C Rafferty (0-01), M McKenna, A Forker, A Murnin, T Kernan (0-03, 1f), J Clarke.

Subs: M Murray for McKenna, K Dyas for Moriarty, C O'Hanlon for Rafferty, B Donaghy for Forker, S Harold for Findon (BC)

That was the Armagh team in 2015 against Donegal. A few of the current team would have been involved. Ethan Rafferty was a forward then. Murnin and Campbell started.  Aidan Forker played in the forwards too. Grugan would have been around the panel then too.

[Armamike]

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

I used to think the same but looking back now he got Armagh back competitive again and challenging and got us back to division 1 level.  Managers are judged on results and prizes of course but there is something to be said for a manager who can galvanise a squad, get them believing and buying into him. Nobody leaves the panel, nobody. He has also maximised the playing resources available to him based on slim pickings from underage. 

[Blowitupref]

McGeeney record as a manager is pretty horrible when setting aside the AI. For 5 years they never won a championship match, have been relegated multiple times, never won an ulster and he was badly found out when he sat and watched Kerry destroy their kick outs without changing anything.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/kieran-mcgeeney-the-career-and-history-of-armaghs-manager-and-all-ireland-winner-EBYTZDBWQRFBJHXSAXKLSPDAWY/

I used to think the same but looking back now he got Armagh back competitive again and challenging and got us back to division 1 level.  Managers are judged on results and prizes of course but there is something to be said for a manager who can galvanise a squad, get them believing and buying into him. Nobody leaves the panel, nobody. He has also maximised the playing resources available to him based on slim pickings from underage. 

And no overly strong Crossmaglen team to draw from.  2015 their last Ulster senior win and no Armagh team has reach the Ulster senior final since. Furthermore St. Patrick's Cullyhanna in 2023 was the first ever Armagh club to win the Ulster Intermediate Club Football Championship.