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Would you be in favour of an alternative championship for Div 3 and 4 with winners and runners up rejoining the other championship.

Yes
125 (54.1%)
No
91 (39.4%)
Undecided
15 (6.5%)

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Captain Obvious

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1050 on: September 17, 2019, 11:11:06 PM »
If there is two tiers what is to motivate the lesser counties in the top tier?

Take Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone and possibly Donegal out of it and the Dubs will hockey every other team by double figures who are also in the top tier (they will beat those 4 mentioned teams by 5-9 points usually on any given day)
Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon, Galway etc are around 7th-10th ranked last few years. Each have been stuffed by Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc last few years.

Whats to motivate those players to participate in the HIGHEST tier? Never mind the lower tiers. The tankings will still take place in Tier 1.

Both correct.

If the idea is to go down this tiered route, then it needs to be done properly with three tiers. Counties around 9-16 will remain no hopers in the top tier. And counties down at 25-32/33 will remain uncompetitive in the second tier.

Two tiers is half an idea, just like most out of Croke Park.

If it was to be done properly the NFL would be made more important as that is our tiered competition already in place.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1051 on: September 17, 2019, 11:16:22 PM »
The Ladies version of tiered this year!

Senior Championship


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Armagh   
Cavan   
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Waterford   
Monaghan   
Galway   
Kerry   
Westmeath
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Tyrone   
Donegal   
 

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Kildare   
Down   
Limerick   
Tipperary   
Meath   
Wicklow   
Longford   
Wexford   
Clare   2   
Laois   2   
Roscommon   
Offaly   
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Derry   
 

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1052 on: September 18, 2019, 07:54:35 AM »
If there is two tiers what is to motivate the lesser counties in the top tier?

Take Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone and possibly Donegal out of it and the Dubs will hockey every other team by double figures who are also in the top tier (they will beat those 4 mentioned teams by 5-9 points usually on any given day)

Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon, Galway etc are around 7th-10th ranked last few years. Each have been stuffed by Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc last few years.

Whats to motivate those players to participate in the HIGHEST tier? Never mind the lower tiers. The tankings will still take place in Tier 1.

What it there to motivate them now? We have 1 tier and tankings occur regularly even in the so caller Super 8's.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1053 on: September 18, 2019, 01:12:28 PM »
If there is two tiers what is to motivate the lesser counties in the top tier?

Take Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone and possibly Donegal out of it and the Dubs will hockey every other team by double figures who are also in the top tier (they will beat those 4 mentioned teams by 5-9 points usually on any given day)

Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon, Galway etc are around 7th-10th ranked last few years. Each have been stuffed by Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc last few years.

Whats to motivate those players to participate in the HIGHEST tier? Never mind the lower tiers. The tankings will still take place in Tier 1.

What it there to motivate them now? We have 1 tier and tankings occur regularly even in the so caller Super 8's.

Think about this,
 every county will still have at least one chance to win an all-ireland final (at the highest level).

Every county will still have a chance to win a provisional championship

The only difference is instead of being knocked out in one (or maybe two) rounds of the qualifiers the weaker counties now have a realistic shot at winning an All Ireland (tier 2).

It makes sense to me, as I've said before however I think the winners should be allowed back into the tier 1 competition but that might not be possible due to scheduling issues. 

Looking at the poll results it seems the majority are in favour of the proposal.  Change comes slow in the GAA but give Horan credit, he sees the big picture.



I think this is a good proposal, it's gives team more realistic chance of silverware
« Last Edit: September 18, 2019, 01:14:21 PM by sligoman2 »
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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1054 on: September 18, 2019, 01:47:41 PM »
If there is two tiers what is to motivate the lesser counties in the top tier?

Take Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone and possibly Donegal out of it and the Dubs will hockey every other team by double figures who are also in the top tier (they will beat those 4 mentioned teams by 5-9 points usually on any given day)

Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon, Galway etc are around 7th-10th ranked last few years. Each have been stuffed by Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc last few years.

Whats to motivate those players to participate in the HIGHEST tier? Never mind the lower tiers. The tankings will still take place in Tier 1.

What it there to motivate them now? We have 1 tier and tankings occur regularly even in the so caller Super 8's.

Think about this,
 every county will still have at least one chance to win an all-ireland final (at the highest level).

Every county will still have a chance to win a provisional championship

The only difference is instead of being knocked out in one (or maybe two) rounds of the qualifiers the weaker counties now have a realistic shot at winning an All Ireland (tier 2).

It makes sense to me, as I've said before however I think the winners should be allowed back into the tier 1 competition but that might not be possible due to scheduling issues. 

Looking at the poll results it seems the majority are in favour of the proposal.  Change comes slow in the GAA but give Horan credit, he sees the big picture.

I think this is a good proposal, it's gives team more realistic chance of silverware

Reluctant to comment on this as I think it should be the players and fans of the Div 3 and 4 teams who decide. But there was a guy on OTB (didn't catch who it was) and he completely slammed it and pretty much railroaded Emlyn Mulligan into agreeing with him.

His main problem was the provincial backdoor. It's much harder for Derry to make the provincial final than Sligo. But, so what, that's luck of the draw, you could end up with 4 worst teams in Ulster in the same half. Sligo could have to beat Galway and Mayo to get to a final, or they could have to beat London and Leitrim. It's a very minor point to argue about. If a team is that determined that they should be in Tier 1, then all they have to do is get promoted to the Second Division of the league.

I'm not sure I agree with the provincial final backdoor, I'd leave it to winners only. But a team that wins Tier 2 should definitely be automatically into Tier 1 the following year, as if they were a Div 1/2 team. 

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1055 on: September 18, 2019, 02:33:33 PM »
If there is two tiers what is to motivate the lesser counties in the top tier?

Take Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone and possibly Donegal out of it and the Dubs will hockey every other team by double figures who are also in the top tier (they will beat those 4 mentioned teams by 5-9 points usually on any given day)

Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon, Galway etc are around 7th-10th ranked last few years. Each have been stuffed by Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc last few years.

Whats to motivate those players to participate in the HIGHEST tier? Never mind the lower tiers. The tankings will still take place in Tier 1.

What it there to motivate them now? We have 1 tier and tankings occur regularly even in the so caller Super 8's.

Think about this,
 every county will still have at least one chance to win an all-ireland final (at the highest level).

Every county will still have a chance to win a provisional championship

The only difference is instead of being knocked out in one (or maybe two) rounds of the qualifiers the weaker counties now have a realistic shot at winning an All Ireland (tier 2).

It makes sense to me, as I've said before however I think the winners should be allowed back into the tier 1 competition but that might not be possible due to scheduling issues. 

Looking at the poll results it seems the majority are in favour of the proposal.  Change comes slow in the GAA but give Horan credit, he sees the big picture.



I think this is a good proposal, it's gives team more realistic chance of silverware

You realize that the GAA president is a figurehead 3 year position? In Horan's case he's been a great mouthpiece for a second tier which those in HQ with power have been pushing hard to get in place as soon as possible and regardless what the players and managers of the "lesser" teams think.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1056 on: September 18, 2019, 03:39:56 PM »
Haven't heard or seen many objections from the "lesser teams" managers or players.
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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1057 on: September 18, 2019, 03:51:38 PM »
If there is two tiers what is to motivate the lesser counties in the top tier?

Take Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone and possibly Donegal out of it and the Dubs will hockey every other team by double figures who are also in the top tier (they will beat those 4 mentioned teams by 5-9 points usually on any given day)

Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon, Galway etc are around 7th-10th ranked last few years. Each have been stuffed by Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc last few years.

Whats to motivate those players to participate in the HIGHEST tier? Never mind the lower tiers. The tankings will still take place in Tier 1.

What it there to motivate them now? We have 1 tier and tankings occur regularly even in the so caller Super 8's.

Yes, but all along itís been little Leitrim, Waterford, Antrim etc getting stuffed, and we need a tiered system because they clearly canít compete with the big boys.

Brolly sat on TSG earlier in the championship and moaned about Div 4 Antrim getting stuffed by Div 1 Tyrone, and that they should be in a B championship because they canít compete. Yet a week or two before, Div 4 Derry pushed Div 1 Tyrone all the way in their clash, but he never mentioned that.

The bottom tier teams will never make anything from being there, because HQ wonít be funding them. Theyíll just tell us, ah sure thatís just where they are, thatís their level, they need to get off their arses and sort it out. Eventually tier 2 will drift off into oblivion, never to be seen again. But they donít bring in huge revenue to the GAA anyway, so they donít care. They already have their tier 1/Super 8/ Champions League groups cash cows.

Tier 1 will consist of the massive-funded Dublin, and 4/5 on a similar level that wonít be catching the Dubs. The other 10 counties below the top 6 will be treated the same as the tier 2 teams - ie. get up off your arses and sort it out. Theyíll get no funding either.

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Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« Reply #1058 on: September 18, 2019, 04:03:10 PM »
A second tier won't address the ongoing crisis in GF which is the Dublin situation.

The GAA probably needs a citizens Assembly , similar to what they had for the abortion referendum 
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