A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[tonto1888]

do you not need some level of irish to teach in the south?

At primary level, yes.  If you were educated outside the 26 counties you can get up to 5 years to bring yourself up to the required level.

At secondary level, generally no.  Unless of course you are employed to teach Irish, teach in a Gaelscoil, or a school in a Gaeltacht area where Irish is the first language.  So if you teach Physics in a secondary school outside the Gaeltacht, there's no requirement to have any proficiency in Irish.

Cheers for that

[OakLeaf]

Has anyone read any of the two Irish Unity books by Ben Collins? Just heard about them yesterday. He grew up in a Unionist background and is advocating for a United Ireland. I read about half of Brendan O'Learys book, Making Sense of a United Ireland, which was decent but hard going. I'm wondering if Collins is any easier read?

[Rossfan]

Does that Court decision making teaching religion illegal apply to Catholic schools?

[andoireabu]

do you not need some level of irish to teach in the south?

At primary level, yes.  If you were educated outside the 26 counties you can get up to 5 years to bring yourself up to the required level.

At secondary level, generally no.  Unless of course you are employed to teach Irish, teach in a Gaelscoil, or a school in a Gaeltacht area where Irish is the first language.  So if you teach Physics in a secondary school outside the Gaeltacht, there's no requirement to have any proficiency in Irish.

So then what way would schools be set up in a UI? Do you keep Irish as a mandatory subject even though the majority in the North wouldn't have the level to teach it, or do you leave it to the individual school to decide whether to take it on or not and remove it as a qualification? Which curriculum gets followed or does it need a whole new one? And how do you set up the GCSE / A-Level / Leaving cert? Let the current year groups run with what they are doing and start the new first years on the new system?

Be interesting to see how it all works out but you would imagine identity, flags and anthems will be talked about more

[johnnycool]

On day one in a united Ireland none of these things will change and all change thereafter will be baby steps otherwise it will be a shítshow.

As for flags etc I really don't care much about what we end up with and TBH the Cloughey Red Hand defenders flute band could march up and down the Ballygalget Road twice daily and I wouldn't give one shiny shíte so long as we're in a United Ireland.
The triumphalism would be gone, rendering it meaningless pageantry of some old, distant custom.

[naka]

Does that Court decision making teaching religion illegal apply to Catholic schools?

Catholic schools aren't state schools
So don't see how they would

[Rossfan]

Are teachers in Catholic schools paid by the State or the Church?

[Pub Bore]

Are teachers in Catholic schools paid by the State or the Church?

Technically, teachers in Catholic schools in the north are employed by an organisation called CCMS (The Council for Catholic Maintained Schools). 

[Snapchap]

Does that Court decision making teaching religion illegal apply to Catholic schools?

Catholic schools aren't state schools
So don't see how they would

The law's the law. Applies to all sectors. There was a segment on bbc talkbak last week specifically about how it will impcat on Catholic maintained schools. Two primary school principals on and each were kinda of the view that not much will change at all, at least at primary level.

[johnnycool]

Are teachers in Catholic schools paid by the State or the Church?

Technically, teachers in Catholic schools in the north are employed by an organisation called CCMS (The Council for Catholic Maintained Schools). 

And I believe most CCMS schools buildings are owned by the Catholic Church. There may be modern exceptions to this but historically the schools were never signed over to the EA or whatever it's predecessors were called.

[weareros]

Unionists giving out stink about being subject to EU laws, now giving out stink about being subject to UK laws with judgement handed down by the highest court in the UK. Never happy are they.

[Rossfan]

They miss the oul 1922 -72 era🙄

[Wildweasel74]

All Maintained schools are parish owned, and as religious based schools this law to me. have no impact. Don't you u child taught RE in maintained school. head to another school. The state owned school are 100% state funded and the basis of RE here always been up to some level based on Christian values. It's changed alot in England with big influx of immigrants of various religions from the 1960's. But that influx never happened here, and only now, is it really coming to a head

[Milltown Row2]

Look it's a load of aul bollox! Some guy in the sky telling you not to eat meat on a Friday, pray to him, ask him for forgiveness, he allows the carnage that goes on in the world with that get out clause he has in place!

Sit down have a think about it and don't come back with Faith! That's another aul bollox too

Teaching people RE is like telling people Santa is real

[weareros]

Look it's a load of aul bollox! Some guy in the sky telling you not to eat meat on a Friday, pray to him, ask him for forgiveness, he allows the carnage that goes on in the world with that get out clause he has in place!

Sit down have a think about it and don't come back with Faith! That's another aul bollox too

Teaching people RE is like telling people Santa is real

Yes the issue is that is clearly taught as if it's factual history. Christian mythology should have the same status as Greek and Roman mythology, or Irish mythology. Jesus rising from the dead after 3 days and ascending into heaven is no different than Ossian arriving back from Tir na nÓg after 3 days and discovering he was really gone for 300 years and suddenly died of old age. They are stories created by the ancients. However some mythologies are seen for what they are (good old stories) and people didn't go to war to kill for them like they do for the abrahamic religious mythologies.