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« Reply #2640 on: August 14, 2019, 07:51:15 PM »
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.
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« Reply #2641 on: August 14, 2019, 08:07:33 PM »
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.

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« Reply #2642 on: August 15, 2019, 11:02:29 AM »
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

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« Reply #2643 on: August 15, 2019, 01:14:11 PM »
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

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« Reply #2644 on: August 15, 2019, 01:51:28 PM »
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Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

Start charging those who get drunk at the weekend and require an ambulance.

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« Reply #2645 on: August 15, 2019, 01:53:50 PM »
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

No self respecting GP should be giving them out but a minimal fee might stop some people from clogging up waiting rooms asking for them.

I've known people to get paracetamol, sudocream and the likes on prescription when they're cheap as chips to buy anyway.

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« Reply #2646 on: August 15, 2019, 01:57:02 PM »
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

Bring back charging for prescriptions for those in employment.

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« Reply #2647 on: August 15, 2019, 01:59:17 PM »
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

I agree - £5 for each visit for U50's say. I remembering being with doctors last year and there was stats up on an electronic board in reception stating how many people missed appointments in that particular clinic last year.  I can't remember the figure but I remember thinking, that's crazy.  Some waste of money there if replicated in every surgery.

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« Reply #2648 on: August 15, 2019, 02:06:25 PM »
You miss an appointment at a dentist you get charged, though in saying that - I have sat and waited over 45 minutes after my appointment time at a doctors, and know an older man who couldnt get parked because of roadworks and when he got in he was 3 minutes late and the doctor refused to see him as he missed his appointment!

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« Reply #2649 on: August 15, 2019, 02:59:21 PM »
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

Bring back charging for prescriptions for those in employment.

People are paying enough.

Why should ordinary folk be now charged to help pay for inept t**sers in government who canít balance their books?

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« Reply #2650 on: August 15, 2019, 03:01:18 PM »
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

I agree - £5 for each visit for U50's say. I remembering being with doctors last year and there was stats up on an electronic board in reception stating how many people missed appointments in that particular clinic last year.  I can't remember the figure but I remember thinking, that's crazy.  Some waste of money there if replicated in every surgery.

Yes, well i agree with charging for missed appointments. Next time they ring up for one, tell them the doctor wonít be seeing you until you settle your bill.

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« Reply #2651 on: August 15, 2019, 03:04:37 PM »
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

Bring back charging for prescriptions for those in employment.

People are paying enough.

Why should ordinary folk be now charged to help pay for inept t**sers in government who canít balance their books?

It was said in the context of paying to see a doctor, ditto in bold if one had to pay for each antibiotic.

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« Reply #2652 on: August 15, 2019, 03:07:04 PM »
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

I agree - £5 for each visit for U50's say. I remembering being with doctors last year and there was stats up on an electronic board in reception stating how many people missed appointments in that particular clinic last year.  I can't remember the figure but I remember thinking, that's crazy.  Some waste of money there if replicated in every surgery.

Yes, well i agree with charging for missed appointments. Next time they ring up for one, tell them the doctor wonít be seeing you until you settle your bill.

And can you claim if your appointment is late, like flights, people very readily accept sitting for hours in a waiting room past their appointment time as some gobshite is in wasting the doctors time.

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« Reply #2653 on: August 15, 2019, 04:18:44 PM »
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.

There would never be a united Ireland if the ROI had not made itself prosperous with a pro business model. Homelessness does reflect poorly on the Irish government, but it is largely because people want to live in the 26 counties, there is less in places like Derry because people move away. As for the health service, the limitations of the 26 county health service are rightly publicised, but people live longer in the 26 counties and things like cancer survival rates are noticeably better. If anyone thinks the health service is not a reason for unity then they are very ignorant. Even this week, ambulances from the south have had to be based in Derry and Newry as there aren't enough locally.

McAliskey is like the Shinners, eloquent on how money should be spent, while silent on how the money is to be made in order to have some to spend. It is essentially teenage politics and as you said this low IQ politics puts middle of the ground people off.

It's more the perception that the South s health service is bad and that you have to pay for it.

But yes knowing/idealizing  how to spend money is simple but knowing how to raise it is the real trick. In saying that tho, being constrained and consequently proped up by London is no healthy or sustainable state of affairs either.
The UK NHS is in crisis and it is unlikely to continue in the same model, free at the point of delivery. Brexit quite likely will be the final nail. A hybrid system such as the South's is coming down the tracks at people currently under 40. at the very least charges for prescriptions and GP visits are inevitable in the course of the next few years.

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

I agree - £5 for each visit for U50's say. I remembering being with doctors last year and there was stats up on an electronic board in reception stating how many people missed appointments in that particular clinic last year.  I can't remember the figure but I remember thinking, that's crazy.  Some waste of money there if replicated in every surgery.

Yes, well i agree with charging for missed appointments. Next time they ring up for one, tell them the doctor wonít be seeing you until you settle your bill.

And can you claim if your appointment is late, like flights, people very readily accept sitting for hours in a waiting room past their appointment time as some gobshite is in wasting the doctors time.

I think it was more a case of people booking appointments, then not turning up iirc.  Loads of people needing an appointment, but time slots were booked, but then nobody turning up.

A simple issue like this of charging, not making money but just cost and more importantly, time effective.

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« Reply #2654 on: August 15, 2019, 04:35:52 PM »

Big fan of the NHS but I do think some sort of nominal charge for a GP visit should be applied, if only to root out the timewasters.

Stick in some sort of clause whereby you didn't pay more for multiple visits for the same condition (on the Doctor's say-so).

There are a serious amount of people who wouldn't actually need an antibiotic for a head cold if they had to pay a tenner for it.

Same here. Despite the doom mongers the NHS in N.Ireland does an unbelievable job.

The problem that has developed is that people are so used to feeling entitled to everything being free that they now want no restriction on provision. An example is free prescriptions, there needs to be a restriction on what can be prescribed for free and those who can pay should make some contribution to at least pay for the prescription charges. 

The waste in prescribing is an on-going and uncontrolled issue. Also the waste in items that can be reused is an issue, e.g. crutches, moon boots, zimmer frames, rollators, etc are all non-returnable or collected for recycling as scrap metal rather than re-use.

Missed appointments are the major cost to the NHS and severely decrease its efficiency. They play an important part in keeping waiting list longer as doctors are left sitting doing nothing during planned clinical sessions that can never be recovered. Those who miss appointments should face a penalty to make major inroads. All clinics and doctors' surgeries are now showing the number of missed appointments and they are a concern.