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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1455 on: October 17, 2017, 06:23:04 PM »
The handover of Hong Kong and Macau back to China offers lessons for the future reunification of Ireland.

http://www.forasach.ie/2017/10/13/china-hong-kong-handover-ireland/

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« Reply #1456 on: October 17, 2017, 10:27:16 PM »

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« Reply #1457 on: October 17, 2017, 11:14:08 PM »
Maybe, but I think the Special Administrative Region idea is sound in principle. In a future united Ireland agreement you could say that the north should have SAR status and it would take a supermajority to scrap it.

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« Reply #1458 on: October 17, 2017, 11:40:53 PM »
Maybe, but I think the Special Administrative Region idea is sound in principle. In a future united Ireland agreement you could say that the north should have SAR status and it would take a supermajority to scrap it.

Never mind your S.A.R
Let's see some decent economic argument that will convince Unionists and Nationalists that they will be better off in a united Ireland
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« Reply #1459 on: October 17, 2017, 11:47:13 PM »
Maybe, but I think the Special Administrative Region idea is sound in principle. In a future united Ireland agreement you could say that the north should have SAR status and it would take a supermajority to scrap it.

Never mind your S.A.R
Let's see some decent economic argument that will convince Unionists and Nationalists that they will be better off in a united Ireland
 Don't be of any doubt that the nationalist will follow his pocket as quick as the Unionist

The economic argument in favour of reunification has already been proven. But good luck getting that to resonate with the unionists, they'll just dismiss it out of hand. That's a detailed report put together by senior and impartial economists. On the other hand, Jimmy Deenihan was once asked a question on camera about whether or not we could afford reunification, and the unprepared minister grumbled for a second and said "uh, uh, no really....."

Guess which response the unionists take more seriously? That's right, the minister's heat-of-the-moment response to a question he was unprepared for. That's the answer they want to hear, that's the answer their going to accept.

Economic arguments are all well and good but you're never going to win over the unionists if you can't allay their fears and appeal to their emotions. People vote with their hearts, not their heads.

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« Reply #1460 on: October 17, 2017, 11:58:54 PM »
The economic argument in favour of reunification has already been proven. But good luck getting that to resonate with the unionists, they'll just dismiss it out of hand. That's a detailed report put together by senior and impartial economists. On the other hand, Jimmy Deenihan was once asked a question on camera about whether or not we could afford reunification, and the unprepared minister grumbled for a second and said "uh, uh, no really....."


Sadly, the economic argument has not been proven. A fundamental problem is that SF are not credible on economic matters and don't seem to have realised that economics is the biggest obstacle to moving thing on.
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« Reply #1461 on: October 18, 2017, 12:14:29 AM »
Lads all us be long dead before theres any united ireland; when a referendum will come and it will happen; the size of a defeat on the percentage vote would kill another referendum for many a year! I nearly say there be a 60-65% vote to remain

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« Reply #1462 on: October 18, 2017, 12:41:57 AM »
The economic argument in favour of reunification has already been proven. But good luck getting that to resonate with the unionists, they'll just dismiss it out of hand. That's a detailed report put together by senior and impartial economists. On the other hand, Jimmy Deenihan was once asked a question on camera about whether or not we could afford reunification, and the unprepared minister grumbled for a second and said "uh, uh, no really....."


Sadly, the economic argument has not been proven. A fundamental problem is that SF are not credible on economic matters and don't seem to have realised that economics is the biggest obstacle to moving thing on.

That report was not published by SF.

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« Reply #1463 on: October 18, 2017, 12:43:34 AM »
Lads all us be long dead before theres any united ireland; when a referendum will come and it will happen; the size of a defeat on the percentage vote would kill another referendum for many a year! I nearly say there be a 60-65% vote to remain

Of course there would. I often think SF can be a bit delusional about this sort of thing. The Brexit vote might have moved the needle a bit, but we're a long way off a nationalist majority in the north and there's much work to be done to build one.

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« Reply #1464 on: October 18, 2017, 01:01:32 AM »
The economic argument in favour of reunification has already been proven. But good luck getting that to resonate with the unionists, they'll just dismiss it out of hand. That's a detailed report put together by senior and impartial economists. On the other hand, Jimmy Deenihan was once asked a question on camera about whether or not we could afford reunification, and the unprepared minister grumbled for a second and said "uh, uh, no really....."


Sadly, the economic argument has not been proven. A fundamental problem is that SF are not credible on economic matters and don't seem to have realised that economics is the biggest obstacle to moving thing on.

That report was not published by SF.

It was effectively paid for by SF. I'm not saying it is wrong, but lot more work is needed. Nobody much is doing this work.
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« Reply #1465 on: October 18, 2017, 01:31:32 AM »
read a book

A United Ireland Why Unification Is Inevitable and How It Will Come About
By Kevin Meagher
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« Reply #1466 on: October 18, 2017, 09:09:34 AM »
In other news,Leo,barely hiding the Freestate establishment's utter fear and paranoia over the mere prospect of reunification,stated yesterday that 50 plus one percent in favour of Irish unity,in any referendum,would not be sufficient to gain unity.The GFA does not compel unity by referendum but merely states that the UK and Freestate will jointly examine the best way forward in the aftermath of a referendum.

Oh for those of you North and South who do not yet understand,economic arguments,in favour of unity or the status quo,will not have any impact on unionists or nationalists in the North whatsoever,as identity and what they see as their birthright,trumps all reason and logic.

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« Reply #1467 on: October 18, 2017, 10:03:19 AM »
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« Reply #1468 on: October 18, 2017, 10:16:44 AM »
So you think the UK is just going to magically and completely turn off the money tap?

If economic arguments won the day, catholic/nationalists up here would long ago have decided the UK link was preferable,or unionists might have even been mildly tempted to look at Re-Unification during the Celtic Tiger years.Alas,not a chance

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« Reply #1469 on: October 18, 2017, 10:18:30 AM »
Disappointing, but not unexpected, to see Varadkar parroting the Unionist line.  Didn't see the programme but did they ask him if a 50%+1 vote would be acceptable to keep NI in the UK?  I've always thought that the whole referendum process as laid out in the GFA was where SF and the SDLP had their eye wiped by the Brits.
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