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T Fearon

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1230 on: June 18, 2017, 09:22:52 PM »
Read these words slowly.Over the last 100 years Dublin has done nothing to advocate even for a United Ireland,has rescinded its claim to the North and has admitted that Unity is not affordable.

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« Reply #1231 on: June 18, 2017, 09:46:58 PM »
Read these words slowly.Over the last 100 years Dublin has done nothing to advocate even for a United Ireland

Read these words , you'll probably have to read them slowly.
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T Fearon

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« Reply #1232 on: June 18, 2017, 11:23:50 PM »
Yes,that was 33 years ago,all of those party to it are long gone.In any event Thatcher rejected it out of hand.Since then we've had various agreements including the Anglo Irish Agreement,Good Friday etc.

In short it is as relevant today as Xtravision.

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« Reply #1233 on: June 18, 2017, 11:39:08 PM »
The Good Friday Agreement indicates how to secure a UI, you just have to get out and vote. The Irish health service does not have a cure for Stockholm Syndrome.
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« Reply #1234 on: June 19, 2017, 10:57:17 AM »
Read these words slowly.Over the last 100 years Dublin has done nothing to advocate even for a United Ireland,has rescinded its claim to the North and has admitted that Unity is not affordable.

Dublin's position on a UI is fluid. Dublin did not rescind it's claim for a UI. The claim was rescinded by the people through referendum with the prospect of an end to armed conflict as a result. It's a very narrow argument to make. Are you are leaving out context to make it easier for you to arrive at the wrong place?
 Where is there an admission that unity is not affordable? As far as I'm aware it's still an on going debate.

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« Reply #1235 on: June 19, 2017, 03:12:48 PM »
The fact is that Dublin recommended this to its people,as a preferred outcome.This was akin to Britain surrendering to Germany to maintain peace in 1939.

Jimmy Deenihan,a Dublin Govt minister,admitted in a recent tv debate that Irish Unity wasn't affordable

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« Reply #1236 on: June 19, 2017, 03:16:46 PM »
The fact is that Dublin recommended this to its people,as a preferred outcome.This was akin to Britain surrendering to Germany to maintain peace in 1939.

Jimmy Deenihan,a Dublin Govt minister,admitted in a recent tv debate that Irish Unity wasn't affordable

A bit like Brexit, the truth is he is guessing as he has done no such research. This man however has.

https://senatormarkdaly.org/2017/04/13/united-ireland-its-people-in-peace-prosperity-executive-summary/

It's obvious that there will be short term costs but mid-longer term there are obvious benefits.

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« Reply #1237 on: June 19, 2017, 03:18:43 PM »
The fact is that Dublin recommended this to its people,as a preferred outcome.This was akin to Britain surrendering to Germany to maintain peace in 1939.

Jimmy Deenihan,a Dublin Govt minister,admitted in a recent tv debate that Irish Unity wasn't affordable

It was also recommended by 3 of the 4 main parties in the north, in London & Washington. No it's not akin to that.

He admitted it in a debate that is on going. Is it Government policy that Unity isn't affordable?

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« Reply #1238 on: June 19, 2017, 04:08:37 PM »
Will someone give me evidence of a serious attempt by the South to promote Irish Unity over the last century?

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« Reply #1239 on: June 19, 2017, 04:29:29 PM »
Will someone give me evidence of a serious attempt by the South to promote Irish Unity over the last century?

Allowing the Brits to use Irish airspace during WW2? That's a unity of sorts.

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« Reply #1240 on: June 19, 2017, 04:31:07 PM »
Will someone give me evidence of a serious attempt by the South to promote Irish Unity over the last century?

Of course they should be doing more but when it happens there has to be some level of acceptance from the unionists that it has been reached via a democratic vote and not something that is foisted on them. Listening to Leo Varadkar saying how much of a thrill it was for him to be in 10 Downing Street today wouldn't exactly inspire you with any confidence that he is going to fight any harder for nationalists in the north.   

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« Reply #1241 on: June 19, 2017, 05:31:27 PM »
Will someone give me evidence of a serious attempt by the South to promote Irish Unity over the last century?

Of course they should be doing more but when it happens there has to be some level of acceptance from the unionists that it has been reached via a democratic vote and not something that is foisted on them. Listening to Leo Varadkar saying how much of a thrill it was for him to be in 10 Downing Street today wouldn't exactly inspire you with any confidence that he is going to fight any harder for nationalists in the north.

He won't. Nor will any of them. The southern politicans are a bunch of arse-lickers when dealing with Britain/EU. They bend over and take everything thrown at them.

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1242 on: June 19, 2017, 06:13:17 PM »
And if you were Taoiseach..........
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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1243 on: June 19, 2017, 06:29:27 PM »
Benny and Yellow, now you're getting it! Dublin doesn't care about us

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« Reply #1244 on: June 19, 2017, 06:32:25 PM »
To paraphrase the great Miceal "Leo Varadkar,his father was born in Bombay,his mother in Dungarvan,neither of which are hotbeds of Irish nationalism!"