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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1155 on: May 05, 2017, 01:09:26 PM »
Unification of the territory is of no use without unification of the people. There is so much economic potentials in the areas of IT, pharmaceutical, agriculture, tourism, green energy etc.
These can only be achieved through EU membership, attractive tax rate for foreign investment, possible acceptance of a military alliance and a national movement which ensures minorities have nothing to fear from majority rule
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« Reply #1156 on: May 19, 2017, 02:59:41 PM »
A poll reveals 51 per cent back a vote over the North’s place in the UK in the next 5 years.
https://www.thesun.ie/news/1017253/northern-ireland-politics-border-poll/

Now I don't think this will pass first time out, but it is absolutely essential that they are not allowed hold one, Brexit style, where there is no clarity on what the issues are. You'd need a neutral body e.g. OECD to measure the actual state of the NI economy and taxes etc, you'd need the Irish government to say how they say it and the British to say both what would happen if yes but also if no, in terms of long term plans. if it is thought necessary to hold one then it should be necessary to clarify these things.
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« Reply #1157 on: May 19, 2017, 07:05:40 PM »
A poll reveals 51 per cent back a vote over the North’s place in the UK in the next 5 years.
https://www.thesun.ie/news/1017253/northern-ireland-politics-border-poll/

Now I don't think this will pass first time out, but it is absolutely essential that they are not allowed hold one, Brexit style, where there is no clarity on what the issues are. You'd need a neutral body e.g. OECD to measure the actual state of the NI economy and taxes etc, you'd need the Irish government to say how they say it and the British to say both what would happen if yes but also if no, in terms of long term plans. if it is thought necessary to hold one then it should be necessary to clarify these things.
Good post.
There would also have to be an investigation or series of investigations  into the unionist education problem, why productivity is so poor, what ending the border might mean for economic activity, what the British have neglected etc
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« Reply #1158 on: June 01, 2017, 03:44:58 PM »
The evolution of the 6 county population

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« Reply #1159 on: June 01, 2017, 04:01:16 PM »
A poll reveals 51 per cent back a vote over the North’s place in the UK in the next 5 years.
https://www.thesun.ie/news/1017253/northern-ireland-politics-border-poll/

Now I don't think this will pass first time out, but it is absolutely essential that they are not allowed hold one, Brexit style, where there is no clarity on what the issues are. You'd need a neutral body e.g. OECD to measure the actual state of the NI economy and taxes etc, you'd need the Irish government to say how they say it and the British to say both what would happen if yes but also if no, in terms of long term plans. if it is thought necessary to hold one then it should be necessary to clarify these things.
Good post.
There would also have to be an investigation or series of investigations  into the unionist education problem, why productivity is so poor, what ending the border might mean for economic activity, what the British have neglected etc

Agreed, quite clearly being part of the UK has stunted the economic development of the North.

As long as Unionists can fly their fleg and Britain hang on to their piece of Ireland, that's all either party will ever care about. Everything else is an irrelevance.

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« Reply #1160 on: June 01, 2017, 04:15:37 PM »
A poll reveals 51 per cent back a vote over the North’s place in the UK in the next 5 years.
https://www.thesun.ie/news/1017253/northern-ireland-politics-border-poll/

Now I don't think this will pass first time out, but it is absolutely essential that they are not allowed hold one, Brexit style, where there is no clarity on what the issues are. You'd need a neutral body e.g. OECD to measure the actual state of the NI economy and taxes etc, you'd need the Irish government to say how they say it and the British to say both what would happen if yes but also if no, in terms of long term plans. if it is thought necessary to hold one then it should be necessary to clarify these things.
Good post.
There would also have to be an investigation or series of investigations  into the unionist education problem, why productivity is so poor, what ending the border might mean for economic activity, what the British have neglected etc

Agreed, quite clearly being part of the UK has stunted the economic development of the North.

As long as Unionists can fly their fleg and Britain hang on to their piece of Ireland, that's all either party will ever care about. Everything else is an irrelevance.
I think he Brits can't wait to get out. One of Bertie's ministers once told me that with the naval base on Lough Foyle no longer needed to control the North Atlantic, they have no strategic reason to hang about.

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« Reply #1161 on: June 01, 2017, 04:38:07 PM »
Once they'd be happy Ireland wouldn't be a threat to their Western flank they'd be delighted to be out of here.
Of course if a majority of Scots would ever do the decent thing we could speed up the whole process.
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« Reply #1162 on: June 01, 2017, 04:39:39 PM »
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Thats excellent ... whens that from exactly ? .. i..e what date are these figures from & are they from a census or what?
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« Reply #1163 on: June 01, 2017, 05:19:00 PM »
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Thats excellent ... whens that from exactly ? .. i..e what date are these figures from & are they from a census or what?

At this link it says 2014

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=241162.0

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« Reply #1164 on: June 01, 2017, 06:18:19 PM »
I imagine this is based on the 2011 census, which would imply that things had already moved along a bit.
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« Reply #1165 on: June 01, 2017, 06:37:10 PM »
This is a far better representation of demographic shift again using the 2011 census. Saw it a while back for each county and someone on slugger posted this image for the whole of Northern Ireland. The other big milestone that has already happened (end of last year) is that the number of people from a Catholic community background is now greater than those from the Protestant community background.

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« Reply #1166 on: June 01, 2017, 06:47:13 PM »
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Thats excellent ... whens that from exactly ? .. i..e what date are these figures from & are they from a census or what?

At this link it says 2014

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=241162.0

I imagine this is based on the 2011 census, which would imply that things had already moved along a bit.

Yeah I guess it must be from 2011 ... Do the DUP not look at this sorta stuff ... why the feck are they STILL so intransigent, I mean what do they think is going to happen here ... Any sensible group would try and make friends but I guess they just cant help themselves .. ffs ::)

It shouldn't really be such a hardship to "share" the bloody place should it, but I guess when youve had it your own way for so long, its hard to give that up .. whats the next step for them .. I wonder what they're thinking ?

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« Reply #1167 on: June 01, 2017, 06:48:48 PM »
This is a far better representation of demographic shift again using the 2011 census. Saw it a while back for each county and someone on slugger posted this image for the whole of Northern Ireland. The other big milestone that has already happened (end of last year) is that the number of people from a Catholic community background is now greater than those from the Protestant community background.

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Ouch !!!

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« Reply #1168 on: June 01, 2017, 07:01:33 PM »
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Thats excellent ... whens that from exactly ? .. i..e what date are these figures from & are they from a census or what?

At this link it says 2014

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=241162.0

I imagine this is based on the 2011 census, which would imply that things had already moved along a bit.

Yeah I guess it must be from 2011 ... Do the DUP not look at this sorta stuff ... why the feck are they STILL so intransigent, I mean what do they think is going to happen here ... Any sensible group would try and make friends but I guess they just cant help themselves .. ffs ::)

It shouldn't really be such a hardship to "share" the bloody place should it, but I guess when youve had it your own way for so long, its hard to give that up .. whats the next step for them .. I wonder what they're thinking ?

The DUP will bury their head in the sand and ignore what is blatantly coming. The other picture I posted from slugger got a reply from a guy who claims to be a liberal unionist labour supporter living in England with a background in statistics and quite honestly it was staright out of the DUP handbook of denial. Basically all those non-religion and others from the census are lapsed Protestants and Unionists - unbelievable horseshit. The Catholic growth is all due to immigrants who couldnt give a stuff about Irish nationalism no mention about the equally high number of Protestant born outside the UK etc etc etc basically in complete denial

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« Reply #1169 on: June 01, 2017, 07:05:32 PM »
The evolution of the 6 county population

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Thats excellent ... whens that from exactly ? .. i..e what date are these figures from & are they from a census or what?

At this link it says 2014

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=241162.0

I imagine this is based on the 2011 census, which would imply that things had already moved along a bit.

Yeah I guess it must be from 2011 ... Do the DUP not look at this sorta stuff ... why the feck are they STILL so intransigent, I mean what do they think is going to happen here ... Any sensible group would try and make friends but I guess they just cant help themselves .. ffs ::)

It shouldn't really be such a hardship to "share" the bloody place should it, but I guess when youve had it your own way for so long, its hard to give that up .. whats the next step for them .. I wonder what they're thinking ?

The DUP will bury their head in the sand and ignore what is blatantly coming. The other picture I posted from slugger got a reply from a guy who claims to be a liberal unionist labour supporter living in England with a background in statistics and quite honestly it was staright out of the DUP handbook of denial. Basically all those non-religion and others from the census are lapsed Protestants and Unionists - unbelievable horseshit. The Catholic growth is all due to immigrants who couldnt give a stuff about Irish nationalism no mention about the equally high number of Protestant born outside the UK etc etc etc basically in complete denial
The dup will bury their head in the sand as distinct from the Provos who bury the whole body
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