A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[AustinPowers]

Just saw a poll that may have huge consequences for a UI

PLMR Poll with Electoral Calculus

If* a General Election was held tomorrow.

Reform 445 MPs,
Labour 73 MPs,
Lib Dems 42 MPs,
Your Party 13 MPs
Tories 7 MPs
Greens 6 MPs

Big IF

English idiots being English idiots.

Farage and his conmen sc**bag buddies would have the NHS gone, which would obviously push any halfway intelligent person towards a United Ireland. 

I honestly think Farage  will become British PM.  The Tories are finished for a generation, and  Labour are  shitting themselves over  him.

Farage said he wanted  to renegotiate the GFA to get out of that  European human rights obligations, so I can see him throwing a  metaphorical hand grenade  into the mix , by calling a border poll. 

Meehole  and his buddies  won't entertain the idea of a UI,  and aren't prepared to  start the groundwork.  So, a  Farage border poll would really  put the cat  among the pigeons

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Just saw a poll that may have huge consequences for a UI

PLMR Poll with Electoral Calculus

If* a General Election was held tomorrow.

Reform 445 MPs,
Labour 73 MPs,
Lib Dems 42 MPs,
Your Party 13 MPs
Tories 7 MPs
Greens 6 MPs

Big IF

English idiots being English idiots.

Farage and his conmen sc**bag buddies would have the NHS gone, which would obviously push any halfway intelligent person towards a United Ireland. 

I honestly think Farage  will become British PM.  The Tories are finished for a generation, and  Labour are  shitting themselves over  him.

Farage said he wanted  to renegotiate the GFA to get out of that  European human rights obligations, so I can see him throwing a  metaphorical hand grenade  into the mix , by calling a border poll. 

Meehole  and his buddies  won't entertain the idea of a UI,  and aren't prepared to  start the groundwork.  So, a  Farage border poll would really  put the cat  among the pigeons

It might finally wake up the middle ground many of whom seem quite happy accepting NI's place at the bottom of the UK heap

[Pub Bore]

A lot of middle class, middle ground, middle aged, castle Catholics suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. Brought up to believe that everyone in NI is better off in the UK, it has become an article of faith for them.

Pete Shirlow's methodology is to start with the answer he wants and then to look for "evidence" to support that and ignore any that doesn't.  I think academics call it "pig headedness".

[DaleCooper]

Its simply a case of why Trump won. A large section of electorate held their nose and wanted to break from the status quo, no matter what happened.

Boris johnson blames the treasury for this, saying it was a form of "human quantitative easing" to reduce inflation.

"Treasury pushed for increased labor supply to counter double-digit inflation in 2021–22, leading to a surge of over 4.3 million migrants between January 2021 and June 2024"

Staggering figures

[Rossfan]

If youre talking about the US that figure = around 1.1% of the population.

[armaghniac]

It might finally wake up the middle ground many of whom seem quite happy accepting NI's place at the bottom of the UK heap

NI is no longer at the bottom of the heap, it is more prosperous than half a dozen British regions and in the last year employment and wages have increased more than in Britain. As public spending will be constrained, this inevitably reduces the size of the subvention, however much the local politicos like spending it. 

[seafoid]

It might finally wake up the middle ground many of whom seem quite happy accepting NI's place at the bottom of the UK heap

NI is no longer at the bottom of the heap, it is more prosperous than half a dozen British regions and in the last year employment and wages have increased more than in Britain. As public spending will be constrained, this inevitably reduces the size of the subvention, however much the local politicos like spending it. 

Parts of midland and Northern England are really poor. So what if the North is richer than Lincolnshire.

[Sportacus]

It might finally wake up the middle ground many of whom seem quite happy accepting NI's place at the bottom of the UK heap

NI is no longer at the bottom of the heap, it is more prosperous than half a dozen British regions and in the last year employment and wages have increased more than in Britain. As public spending will be constrained, this inevitably reduces the size of the subvention, however much the local politicos like spending it. 

Parts of midland and Northern England are really poor. So what if the North is richer than Lincolnshire.

Where's your source for that?

[armaghniac]

Parts of midland and Northern England are really poor. So what if the North is richer than Lincolnshire.

Did you actually read my post? I said that it made a difference to the continued justification of NI getting the biggest subsidy while not being the poorest. The extent of the subsidy is a relavant part of debate in NI re the forthcoming UI.

Where's your source for that?

NI is no longer at the bottom of the heap, it is more prosperous than half a dozen British regions and in the last year employment and wages have increased more than in Britain. As public spending will be constrained, this inevitably reduces the size of the subvention, however much the local politicos like spending it. 

This map appeared recently, showing that several UK regions were poorer than several Polish regions. This includes adjustment for prices, wages are lower in Poland but so are prices. .On this map, there are light blue areas poorer than NI. although the eastern parts of Poland are still poorer than these, for now.



I don't know where they got this particular data, but this 2023 data tells a similar story. NI has likely improved a bit relative to other poor regions since then

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/regionaleconomicactivitybygrossdomesticproductuk/latest

[Sportacus]

Parts of midland and Northern England are really poor. So what if the North is richer than Lincolnshire.

Did you actually read my post? I said that it made a difference to the continued justification of NI getting the biggest subsidy while not being the poorest. The extent of the subsidy is a relavant part of debate in NI re the forthcoming UI.

Where's your source for that?

NI is no longer at the bottom of the heap, it is more prosperous than half a dozen British regions and in the last year employment and wages have increased more than in Britain. As public spending will be constrained, this inevitably reduces the size of the subvention, however much the local politicos like spending it. 

This map appeared recently, showing that several UK regions were poorer than several Polish regions. This includes adjustment for prices, wages are lower in Poland but so are prices. .On this map, there are light blue areas poorer than NI. although the eastern parts of Poland are still poorer than these, for now.



I don't know where they got this particular data, but this 2023 data tells a similar story. NI has likely improved a bit relative to other poor regions since then

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/regionaleconomicactivitybygrossdomesticproductuk/latest

That's interesting, never seen that before.  Man on the street still judges it by household income, and NI is still by some distance bottom of the heap for household spending power.

[armaghniac]

That's interesting, never seen that before.  Man on the street still judges it by household income, and NI is still by some distance bottom of the heap for household spending power.

There are not enough private sector jobs in NI, but there are more.
That said, I wonder if the higher incomes originating in the south are fully counted for people in border areas, since they pay little if any tax in the North.

[seafoid]

Parts of midland and Northern England are really poor. So what if the North is richer than Lincolnshire.

Did you actually read my post? I said that it made a difference to the continued justification of NI getting the biggest subsidy while not being the poorest. The extent of the subsidy is a relavant part of debate in NI re the forthcoming UI.

Where's your source for that?

NI is no longer at the bottom of the heap, it is more prosperous than half a dozen British regions and in the last year employment and wages have increased more than in Britain. As public spending will be constrained, this inevitably reduces the size of the subvention, however much the local politicos like spending it. 

This map appeared recently, showing that several UK regions were poorer than several Polish regions. This includes adjustment for prices, wages are lower in Poland but so are prices. .On this map, there are light blue areas poorer than NI. although the eastern parts of Poland are still poorer than these, for now.



I don't know where they got this particular data, but this 2023 data tells a similar story. NI has likely improved a bit relative to other poor regions since then

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/regionaleconomicactivitybygrossdomesticproductuk/latest

The subvention is paid given the North's history of political violence and economic mismanagement.  England's poor regions get nothing.
 

[Armagh18]

That's interesting, never seen that before.  Man on the street still judges it by household income, and NI is still by some distance bottom of the heap for household spending power.

There are not enough private sector jobs in NI, but there are more.
That said, I wonder if the higher incomes originating in the south are fully counted for people in border areas, since they pay little if any tax in the North.

A lot of those  would be self employed esp tradesmen so would be paying their tax in the north. Well the boys that bother paying tax at all that is