A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[Snapchap]

As for the Kingsmill point, it was to serve the argument that maybe, just possibly maybe, someone from the 26 who gets called a blueshirt by someone on the record as thinking Kingsmill was necessary might not feel too much in common with them other than being born on the same island and that for them unity might just be more than the simple issue presented to them so frequently.

So just to confirm, you are focusing your entire argument upon the alleged comment on one poster? Any link to where he posted that remark?

[gallsman]

Once again, that wasn't me. Try to keep up there, like a good lad.

Kingsmill was awful, but again if you've any understanding of what was happening you'll know why it happened and why it had to be done. Doubt you'll find too many pitying the pedo Mountbatten...

There you go. Try and spin it whatever way you want.

[Snapchap]

Once again, that wasn't me. Try to keep up there, like a good lad.

Didn't get a lot of sleep last night 

[Snapchap]

This morning's postings are very interesting indeed.........

Some children can be harder to love than others.

Anyway, would you be happy to retract your suggestion that Tubberman was repsonsible for "one of the most sensible posts" when his post was in fact based around two absolutely massive false claims?

[trueblue1234]

This morning's postings are very interesting indeed.........

Some children can be harder to love than others.

You're the cause of most of this sh!te with your insufferable "Nordies annoyed that we don't...... posts
You are completely toxic to these sort of discussions as you always try and drag it down to a us v them viewpoint. You and MM are well met. 

[Snapchap]

Once again, that wasn't me. Try to keep up there, like a good lad.

Kingsmill was awful, but again if you've any understanding of what was happening you'll know why it happened and why it had to be done. Doubt you'll find too many pitying the pedo Mountbatten...

There you go. Try and spin it whatever way you want.

I've absolutely no interest in spinning it. I already said that it would be a scummy comment to make if it were true. I merely asked for the link so that I could see it with my own eyes.

[Truthsayer]

Tubberman and Armaghniac with the 2 most sensible posts tonight.

After dismissing Martin's grossly offensive comments as 'Mickey Martin's nonsense' Rossboy now appoints himself as judge of the best posts... the arrogance.

[ShutterinbyDayGAAbyNight]

He tries to come across as a wiseacre, really comes across as a condescending west brit pr*ck.

[Truthsayer]

He tries to come across as a wiseacre, really comes across as a condescending west brit pr*ck.

Exactly that

[weareros]

Of course part of the reason - and this won't go down well here - is that Sinn Fein constantly talk down the success of the 26 county state. To many the narrative is of a failed state. Yet one gets the sense the minute they govern for a few years in Dublin, it will suddenly be utopia, the best little country on earth. 

That's hardly unique to SF though. It's just standard politics. Any opposition seeking to be elected will criticise the job the incumbents have done. And of course you're right, as soon as they get into power everything will be rosey (even though it will hardly have changed any). Again, standard politics.

I've zero doubt that if the North voted for a UI, then the South would as well.

Agree on all that. In fact Michele O'Neill who is not trying to get elected in South talks up the better economy and wages of south while Mary Lou trying to get into gov in south lists everything wrong about it. But south will vote for unity by overwhelming majority. Won't even be close. Some say the Irish gov won't even need to hold a referendum, but they will.

[trileacman]

Can we agree that a border poll held in the next 5 years would be very likely to be defeated?

I mean if I were a Unionist I would want a border poll now to bury the issue for a few decades, much like what has happened in Scotland. I really think if SF, as the largest party in the Assembly and with a Labour SOS, really forced the issue they would get a border poll.

It looks win/win for the Labour Party too. Lose the border poll and you cut loose one of your biggest budget liabilities without much political blowback. Win the border poll and they shore up their little Englander vote whilst simultaneously appeasing nationalists (by arranging a poll) and Unionists (by winning it).

[gallsman]

There it is again. He's a West Brit. Why and how exactly? Because he doesn't agree with every position put forward by people from the north?

[bennydorano]

Can we agree that a border poll held in the next 5 years would be very likely to be defeated?

I mean if I were a Unionist I would want a border poll now to bury the issue for a few decades, much like what has happened in Scotland. I really think if SF, as the largest party in the Assembly and with a Labour SOS, really forced the issue they would get a border poll.

It looks win/win for the Labour Party too. Lose the border poll and you cut loose one of your biggest budget liabilities without much political blowback. Win the border poll and they shore up their little Englander vote whilst simultaneously appeasing nationalists (by arranging a poll) and Unionists (by winning it).

My thoughts as well, but i think Unionism thinks once it's on the agenda it doesn't go away. This is best exemplified by Nigel Farage on Brexit night when it was obvious the leave vote was higher than expected but final results were not yet clear - Farage made a statement saying something like, 'this is not over by a
long way and we will redouble our
efforts'. Eventho Cameron had clearly stated this was a once in a generation referendum that will put the issue to bed.

[Truthsayer]

There it is again. He's a West Brit. Why and how exactly? Because he doesn't agree with every position put forward by people from the north?

Go back and read through his comments. A total partitionist and in response to Martin's comments selects IRA killings in the '26 counties' (ignoring Dublin bombings and many many other Loyalist/British State atrocities) to say Martin does have a point.

[gallsman]

Cherry picking and whataboutery FFS. Being disgusted at the likes of the killing of Jerry McCabe makes you a west brit because, and I admit the logic is starting to get lost on me here, he didn't also bring up Dublin/Monaghan? You do understand that it's SF who are a political force in the south and not the UPRG or LCC or whoever, yes?!