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« Reply #2625 on: May 10, 2019, 05:44:04 PM »
I know fine rightly a lot of them won’t like it, and they’re welcome to move to Britain if it is that unbearable.

Should that have been the attitude of Unionists towards nationalists?

"You're welcome to move down south if you find Northern Ireland so unbearable."

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« Reply #2626 on: May 10, 2019, 06:05:01 PM »
It was wasn't it?
A new All Ireland State = a new flag and anthem.
Probably  a Green flag with a red X on it  and "Our lovely Island" as the anthem.
A popular vote/plebiscite to decide.

If a minority in the North Eastern Area don't like the chosen flag and anthem....they're entitled to their opinion.
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« Reply #2627 on: May 10, 2019, 06:47:38 PM »
It was wasn't it?
A new All Ireland State = a new flag and anthem.
Probably  a Green flag with a red X on it

Ah Jaysus a green and red flag, let’s not go to ridiculous extremes here.

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« Reply #2628 on: May 10, 2019, 06:59:47 PM »
I know fine rightly a lot of them won’t like it, and they’re welcome to move to Britain if it is that unbearable.

Should that have been the attitude of Unionists towards nationalists?

"You're welcome to move down south if you find Northern Ireland so unbearable."

That kind of is the attitude in the more hardline ones...

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« Reply #2629 on: May 10, 2019, 07:29:48 PM »
It was wasn't it?
A new All Ireland State = a new flag and anthem.
Probably  a Green flag with a red X on it

Ah Jaysus a green and red flag, let’s not go to ridiculous extremes here.

 :D :D :)
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« Reply #2630 on: May 10, 2019, 08:04:25 PM »
I know fine rightly a lot of them won’t like it, and they’re welcome to move to Britain if it is that unbearable.

Should that have been the attitude of Unionists towards nationalists?

"You're welcome to move down south if you find Northern Ireland so unbearable."
Well the thing is, many people from the north *did* move, many were forced to do so.  That was and still is the attitude among some of the more loyal citizens in NI today. Luckily, Unionists will never have to face what Irish nationalists endured back when they ran the show in the north. So if they don’t like the democracy the option to flourish in post-brexit Britain is always there for them

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« Reply #2631 on: May 10, 2019, 08:39:52 PM »
The OO is already funded left, right and centre as are the hundreds of flute bands that stomp the streets every summer. I would not want that to change in a united Ireland. What I would expect to change would be the flag and anthem, though I don’t ever see there ever being any consensus there. Ulster Scots should also be looked after, in line with whatever demand there is to support it

What’s the point? New anthem and flag, Unionists will recognise neither because they won’t be in the union no more. Accepting those two things goes against everything a unionist stands for.

In the same way that nationalists wouldn’t recognise a new flag and anthem for NI because it goes against everything they stand for.

A UI is definitely a difficult and nuanced proposition. Difficulties and nuances that it’s proponents will have to navigate and master to win the day

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« Reply #2632 on: May 10, 2019, 08:43:08 PM »
The OO is already funded left, right and centre as are the hundreds of flute bands that stomp the streets every summer. I would not want that to change in a united Ireland. What I would expect to change would be the flag and anthem, though I don’t ever see there ever being any consensus there. Ulster Scots should also be looked after, in line with whatever demand there is to support it

What’s the point? New anthem and flag, Unionists will recognise neither because they won’t be in the union no more. Accepting those two things goes against everything a unionist stands for.

In the same way that nationalists wouldn’t recognise a new flag and anthem for NI because it goes against everything they stand for.
The point is accommodating unionists. I know fine rightly a lot of them won’t like it, and they’re welcome to move to Britain if it is that unbearable.
Presumably all the nationalists and republicans who stayed in NI found it quite pleasant?

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« Reply #2633 on: May 10, 2019, 08:46:40 PM »
I know fine rightly a lot of them won’t like it, and they’re welcome to move to Britain if it is that unbearable.

Should that have been the attitude of Unionists towards nationalists?

"You're welcome to move down south if you find Northern Ireland so unbearable."
Well the thing is, many people from the north *did* move, many were forced to do so.  That was and still is the attitude among some of the more loyal citizens in NI today. Luckily, Unionists will never have to face what Irish nationalists endured back when they ran the show in the north. So if they don’t like the democracy the option to flourish in post-brexit Britain is always there for them
I will agree that some were forced but a tiny fraction. The majority who left NI left for the same reason as they left RoI and the poorer regions of Europe

The rest of your “free to leave” rhetoric I will leave to those indulging in Orbanesque politics
« Last Edit: May 10, 2019, 08:49:14 PM by smelmoth »

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« Reply #2634 on: August 13, 2019, 08:15:16 PM »
From Belfast Telegraph.........

Bernadette McAliskey: 'Who in their right mind would vote to join the Free State?'

August 13 2019
 
Veteran civil rights campaigner and former MP Bernadette McAliskey has questioned "Who in their right mind who right mind in a border poll would vote to join the Free State?"

Ms McAliskey made the comments at event in Londonderry on Monday night marking the 50th anniversary of the Battle of the Bogside in August 1969, when three days of rioting led to the start of Operation Banner.

Bernadette McAliskey was one of those involved in the events of August 1969.

Speaking on Monday night alongside fellow campaigner Eamonn McCann, Ms McAliskey warned people across the island of Ireland "need to get out of the nationalist conversation".

She said that there was no "progressive nationalist agenda on this island at this time".

"Who in their right mind in a border poll would vote to join the Free State?" she added.

Bernadette McAliskey said the lesson from 1969 was that "spontaneity needed to be planned for".

“I don’t think there’s any point in remembering or commemorating other than to learn from the past what we can do in the present to shape the future,” she said.

In recent months calls for a border poll from Sinn Fein have increased, with the party's leader Mary Lou McDonald stating it would be "unthinkable" if a poll was not called in the wake of a no-deal Brexit.

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« Reply #2635 on: August 14, 2019, 01:23:15 AM »
So Bernie is happy to keep part of Ireland under British Rule?
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« Reply #2636 on: August 14, 2019, 02:29:33 PM »
So Bernie is happy to keep part of Ireland under British Rule?

Weighing her opinion and your disrespectful attempt at sarcasm, it is not difficult to know which side most informed people will take cognisance of.

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« Reply #2637 on: August 14, 2019, 03:01:22 PM »
Could you translate please?
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« Reply #2638 on: August 14, 2019, 03:23:06 PM »
Could you translate please?

Precisely my point!

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« Reply #2639 on: August 14, 2019, 06:53:08 PM »
I suspect her opinion originates with the pro business economic model in the South and radiates from there. Homelessness and the state of the Health Service in the South probably confound her opinion. Im guessing she probably doesnt have a good gauge of the severity of the present homelessness problem across the developed World.

I dont think she is typical of a sizable section of middle class Catholics who are unionist when it comes to sovereignty. Typically they are more worried about firstly their pensions and secondly distancing themselves from Republicanism which they see as undignified and lacking IQ. Tho the weak pound and immigration controls could affect their holidays on the continent could begin to influence their opinion.

In short Bernie has her opinion but its only that, her politics would not appeal to the the unionist leaning Catholics nor the left wingers as the vast majority are Sinn bots, even more so as when it comes to sovereignty its the glue that keeps them together.