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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #2325 on: June 08, 2018, 10:28:43 PM »
I'm from the north and I've been living in the south for the past 15 years. I'd be surprised if more than 35/40% of the southern electorate voted for a United Ireland. I'd like to be proved wrong, I've nothing to back this up with but it's just a general impression I get.

65/35 in favour of unification I'd say - conservatively. 
There's a hard-core who would vote yes regardless of the conditions.  a sizeable majority would be swayed by the t&cs i.e. how it affects them in the pocket. 
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« Reply #2326 on: June 08, 2018, 11:57:57 PM »
I'm from the north and I've been living in the south for the past 15 years. I'd be surprised if more than 35/40% of the southern electorate voted for a United Ireland. I'd like to be proved wrong, I've nothing to back this up with but it's just a general impression I get.

There will be good majority. It would be like Gemany, no interest before, much griping afterwards, but a definite tide at the time of unification. That said, as a taxpayer I would fully support driving a hard deal, why should the Irish people accept Britain handing over a banjaxed NI expecting them to fix it up?


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« Last Edit: June 09, 2018, 12:43:50 AM by armaghniac »
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« Reply #2327 on: June 09, 2018, 01:23:02 AM »
With the DUP holding the conservatives to ransom and the border preventing any real discussion on future trade deals with the EU. Would the British people be in favour of a United Ireland to get rid of the troublesome north?
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« Reply #2328 on: June 09, 2018, 01:31:13 AM »
With the DUP holding the conservatives to ransom and the border preventing any real discussion on future trade deals with the EU. Would the British people be in favour of a United Ireland to get rid of the troublesome north?

What NI  needs to for GB to stay in a rational relationship with the EU and a few extra arrangements, mostly to do with agribusiness. I'm not sure if Brexit would now get a  majority in Britain, but even if it did there would still be majority in favour of a Norway type deal. So NI is only really obstructing the more looney end of the Brexiteers, not all the people in Britain.

One real problem is that giving NI a really good deal would immediately lead to Scotland asking for similar and a lot of people are less keen on that. Some of the great minds here need to devise a formula that doesn't give Scotland as good a deal.
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« Reply #2329 on: June 09, 2018, 02:02:51 AM »
England & Wales without N.I. and Scotland would probably be better off financially. Why do they want to keep a Union created hundreds of years ago with little or no relevance in the modern world. Are the north and Scotland the last outposts of the British Empire?
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« Reply #2330 on: June 09, 2018, 03:25:58 AM »
Maybe a coalition of the south, the north and Scotland would work.

Need a good name though...how about the Fenian, Ulster, Caledonia Kingdom.  Any acronym in there to help?

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« Reply #2331 on: June 09, 2018, 05:15:44 AM »
If we just became independent then we could be called the Combined Unionist Nationalist Territory.
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« Reply #2332 on: June 09, 2018, 05:38:13 AM »
If we just became independent then we could be called the Combined Unionist Nationalist Territory.

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« Reply #2333 on: June 12, 2018, 10:51:36 AM »
England & Wales without N.I. and Scotland would probably be better off financially. Why do they want to keep a Union created hundreds of years ago with little or no relevance in the modern world. Are the north and Scotland the last outposts of the British Empire?

Outside of London anything would be better it seems;

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« Reply #2334 on: June 12, 2018, 11:11:53 AM »
This one shows the regional spread in the different EU countries.
The UK sticks out for having such gross differences in production between places. Obviously incomes may differ less if money is moved around but as public expenditure has been cut back this has reduced.


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« Reply #2335 on: June 25, 2018, 05:17:39 PM »
North v South is a bit like Monaghan v Waterford.


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« Reply #2336 on: June 25, 2018, 05:51:02 PM »
North v South is a bit like Monaghan v Waterford.




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« Reply #2337 on: June 25, 2018, 07:09:57 PM »
North v South is a bit like Monaghan v Waterford.




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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #2338 on: July 27, 2018, 08:35:43 AM »
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-could-be-be-financially-better-off-in-a-united-ireland-claims-new-report-37157908.html


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