Peter Robinson rushed to hospital.

[muppet]

No,but the Scots got a referendum involving all of Scotland on independence.Why has no freestate govt demanded the same,in a peaceful non threatening manner,if they really care?.

Because they knew you couldn't justify that monstrous chip on you shoulder then. They did it for you Tony.

[T Fearon]

Would it not be reasonable for a government here in Ireland to point out the inequality of treatment Scotland received in getting a referendum nationwide?

[Maguire01]

Would it not be reasonable for a government here in Ireland to point out the inequality of treatment Scotland received in getting a referendum nationwide?

Ireland, north and south, has agreed the basis for a referendum, as vague as it is. Anyway, why push for something doomed to fail?

[muppet]

Would it not be reasonable for a government here in Ireland to point out the inequality of treatment Scotland received in getting a referendum nationwide?

Ireland, north and south, has agreed the basis for a referendum, as vague as it is. Anyway, why push for something doomed to fail?

So he can blame someone else and point to their evil ways. Tony is after all a Roman Cathartic.

[T Fearon]

Answer me why the whole of Scotland was allowed to decide its constitutional future by referendum while the whole of Ireland has never been granted this basic democratic right? Also tell me why no Irish government has asked for this basic democratic right

[muppet]

Answer me why the whole of Scotland was allowed to decide its constitutional future by referendum while the whole of Ireland has never been granted this basic democratic right? Also tell me why no Irish government has asked for this basic democratic right

Again, have you heard of the Good Friday Agreement?


Hint: It was written after Exodus, but before Spurs glorious ascent to 5th in the League.

[screenexile]

Answer me why the whole of Scotland was allowed to decide its constitutional future by referendum while the whole of Ireland has never been granted this basic democratic right? Also tell me why no Irish government has asked for this basic democratic right

1. Scotland had the SNP as the majority Party and they pushed for a referendum. DUP are the majority here so no referendum.

2. Its a completely different situation for NI as we are not looking to gain independence but join a Country. We mould need a referendum up here and the Free State I imagine would need a referendum to decide if they want to take us which even if we had a Nationalist majority in the North I imagine would still be far from a guarantee!!! They like their money down there and would not be too keen on sharing I would imagine.

[Maguire01]

Answer me why the whole of Scotland was allowed to decide its constitutional future by referendum while the whole of Ireland has never been granted this basic democratic right? Also tell me why no Irish government has asked for this basic democratic right

The SNP got a majority in the Scottish Assembly and therefore got a referendum. When SF and the SDLP get a majority at Stormont, we'll get one too.

[T Fearon]

You are all missing the point.Why was the whole of Scotland democratically allowed to decide its future but the same democratic right has never been granted to the whole of Ireland?

[armaghniac]

You may have a point Tony, but are 90 years too late.

[Rossfan]

You may have a point Tony, but are 90 years too late.

Absolutely. Scots got their timing better than us.
100 years ago the thought of any territory leaving the Brit Empire was simply not entertained.

[armaghniac]

Answer me why the whole of Scotland was allowed to decide its constitutional future by referendum while the whole of Ireland has never been granted this basic democratic right? Also tell me why no Irish government has asked for this basic democratic right

1. Scotland had the SNP as the majority Party and they pushed for a referendum. DUP are the majority here so no referendum.

2. Its a completely different situation for NI as we are not looking to gain independence but join a Country. We mould need a referendum up here and the Free State I imagine would need a referendum to decide if they want to take us which even if we had a Nationalist majority in the North I imagine would still be far from a guarantee!!! They like their money down there and would not be too keen on sharing I would imagine.

NI has out and out nationalists, out and out unionists and an increasing wedge in between. The inbetweeners will read the small print and probably not vote for an unity based on SF style economics. The south will overwhelmingly vote for it when the time comes as some type of workable plan will have had to emerge.

The point is that the ball is in play if the economics could be addressed, but the main "nationalist" party in the North has no interest in reducing the public expenditure gap and others measures that would do this.

[muppet]

You are all missing the point.Why was the whole of Scotland democratically allowed to decide its future but the same democratic right has never been granted to the whole of Ireland?

BECAUSE WE VOTED FOR THE GOOD FRIDAY AGREEMENT!!!!!!



I am guessing, like The Bible, you never read it.

[Milltown Row2]

Answer me why the whole of Scotland was allowed to decide its constitutional future by referendum while the whole of Ireland has never been granted this basic democratic right? Also tell me why no Irish government has asked for this basic democratic right

1. Scotland had the SNP as the majority Party and they pushed for a referendum. DUP are the majority here so no referendum.

2. Its a completely different situation for NI as we are not looking to gain independence but join a Country. We mould need a referendum up here and the Free State I imagine would need a referendum to decide if they want to take us which even if we had a Nationalist majority in the North I imagine would still be far from a guarantee!!! They like their money down there and would not be too keen on sharing I would imagine.

NI has out and out nationalists, out and out unionists and an increasing wedge in between. The inbetweeners will read the small print and probably not vote for an unity based on SF style economics. The south will overwhelmingly vote for it when the time comes as some type of workable plan will have had to emerge.

The point is that the ball is in play if the economics could be addressed, but the main "nationalist" party in the North has no interest in reducing the public expenditure gap and others measures that would do this.

To keep people who are unemployed voting for them??

[armaghniac]

You are all missing the point.Why was the whole of Scotland democratically allowed to decide its future but the same democratic right has never been granted to the whole of Ireland?

BECAUSE WE VOTED FOR THE GOOD FRIDAY AGREEMENT!!!!!!

I am guessing, like The Bible, you never read it.

In fairness, Muppet, it wasn't on offer before the GFA, so the GFA did not reduce it.