Have you ever been a 'Sledger?'

[DermyTDredi]

I've played hurling and football in Leinster since I was 7/8 years old and I cant ever recall any of the pre-planned sledging that people are referring too.
The coverage of this is completely out of hand. So the best forward in the country was manhandled a bit last Sunday, doesn't mean there is an epidemic.
The media (especially RTE) are only delighted to cast the GAA in a negative light and our players are giving them ammunition. Just read an article on rte.ie where one of
our players mentions rugby in a positive light. The website has emboldened this and highlighted. Even when rugby is not the subject they manage a
positive spin off. The same media outlet overlooks the stamping, biting and supplement culture in rugby.

A bit of common sense and balance is needed on this topic.

How have you went from the shows Tyrone and Donegal made of themselves in the senior game and a Tyrone player goading a Donegal player about his deceased father in the minor game to RTE's treatment of fùcking rugby?

This should tell everyone what they need to know about you. You arent here for a balanced discussion nor for the good of the game, just a spot of Ulster bashing. You have been on a crusade of sorts from your overhyped U21 team got beat out the gate against Tyrone a few weeks back. You are a sad individual.

I've never liked Tyrone's tactics. Go back and look at the Minor thread from 2013 if you want to be shown up on that front.

Incredible that when a Tyrone player goads an opposition player over their deceased father that your response is to attack a poster about a now meaningless match from a month ago.

Are you not the p***k that accused Tyrone of Time wasting in the AI Final when 2 of our medical team were administering help to people in the crowd? You are not a man with a good track record for filling in the blanks, are you?

[DermyTDredi]

The bigger picture here is to find out the reasoning behind it, where its coming from and who is instigating it.

If true, Why/How does a minor in Tyrone find out who he'll be marking from Donegal and then research that player to find out something so personal about him. Does he take to his facebook himself or is there someone giving him this information.

And in the interest of balance, why would any player from any county/club go to these lengths.

It will take strong county boards (even clubs) to look at their own houses and insure that this is stopped ASAP. Its this premeditated stuff and thinking that has to be looked at. You will always get the reactionary stuff from on the field events - you missed the free, that looks like your replacement warming up, general shite talk - hard to police and spot.

But this other stuff has to stop. It will end up with a serious injury or the sport been dragged into the front papers when a high profile incident like this happens again. And more importantly, its totally disrespectful and disgusting.

This started a long time ago and is ingrained in their culture. Just pull out the quote from Harte in 2000 where he talks about it . They've evolved from the phone numbers saga to more sinister tactics.

Unfortunately the Dublin team in the era of 03-08 followed Tyrone down the sledging route. Thankfully Gilroy and Gavin got rid of it. It's as much up to team managers to lead by example. But it seems to be par for the course in the Ulster Championship now. Last Sunday was terrible by both teams

I think the 3 bits highlighted sums up your attitude.
Maybe you could pull up Hartes quote. IIRC he only said it was part of the game and you had to be prepared for it. That is a big jump to claiming it is coached systematically in Ulster Counties.
I would concede that Hartes Pontius Pilate act, "its part of the game what can you do", has not helped. Not condemning it leads to tacit acceptance and it may be no coincidence that Tyrone u-21's and minors both have former players from the 03-08 era in their backroom team.

What he said was that sledging was preferable to physical contact off the ball and he was very wrong in that. Neither are acceptable . I said it last week and I'll say it again you have a serious problem in your development structure as regards sledging and only Tyrone can sort it out. Where there is a will there is a way
You're not the only ones at senior level it's pretty rampant at that level in all provinces but it's definitely more prevalent in Ulster but you're certainly one of the few at underage level. Stamp it out there and then it doesn't become a problem later on

How can you get a way with such a sweeping generalisation - based on absolutely f**k all..."it's definitely more prevalent in Ulster.."

Completely laking in substance and only a subjective view - us'uns and them'uns...wise the f**k up

[Brick Tamlin]

Dermy, your language leaves a lot to be desired.

[ck]

A lot of people on this thread really should grow up.
We are discussing an alleged incident in a minor game that no-one has any proof has actually happened. Therefore no player should be named and no example made of. The boards should take a responsible approach on this and do it all behind closed doors.

[Bingo]

A lot of people on this thread really should grow up.
We are discussing an alleged incident in a minor game that no-one has any proof has actually happened. Therefore no player should be named and no example made of. The boards should take a responsible approach on this and do it all behind closed doors.

Its a discussion board FFS and no one has named or shamed anyone, only discussing whats been in the national papers and discussing the issue itself on the wider game.

[screenexile]

Is it just a coincidence that McMenamin is part of the Tyrone Minor back room team and now sledging at underage level is under the microscope . . .

As I've said before Mickey "I say the Rosary a million times a day" Harte should have stamped this out as soon as McMenamin started it all those years ago!! He brought it to the next level and Harte was complicit in that and tries to paint himself as some kind of Saint!!

[general_lee]

Nothing wrong with whispering a few sweet nothings in your opponent's ear. Never did it myself and was rarely on the receiving end but if you're not thick-skinned enough to take it then you should take up camogie.

[Up The Middle]

I've played hurling and football in Leinster since I was 7/8 years old and I cant ever recall any of the pre-planned sledging that people are referring too.
The coverage of this is completely out of hand. So the best forward in the country was manhandled a bit last Sunday, doesn't mean there is an epidemic.
The media (especially RTE) are only delighted to cast the GAA in a negative light and our players are giving them ammunition. Just read an article on rte.ie where one of
our players mentions rugby in a positive light. The website has emboldened this and highlighted. Even when rugby is not the subject they manage a
positive spin off. The same media outlet overlooks the stamping, biting and supplement culture in rugby.

A bit of common sense and balance is needed on this topic.

How have you went from the shows Tyrone and Donegal made of themselves in the senior game and a Tyrone player goading a Donegal player about his deceased father in the minor game to RTE's treatment of fùcking rugby?

This should tell everyone what they need to know about you. You arent here for a balanced discussion nor for the good of the game, just a spot of Ulster bashing. You have been on a crusade of sorts from your overhyped U21 team got beat out the gate against Tyrone a few weeks back. You are a sad individual.

I've never liked Tyrone's tactics. Go back and look at the Minor thread from 2013 if you want to be shown up on that front.

Incredible that when a Tyrone player goads an opposition player over their deceased father that your response is to attack a poster about a now meaningless match from a month ago.

Im calling you out for what you are and thats a WUM. Everytime Tyrone are mentioned in a thread you are all over it.

If this incident took place then it should certainly be dealt with very strongly, but we dont need you using this as an opportunity to come out with drivel about Tyrone clubs coaching these actions to our youth. Seriously move on or this hatred of all things Ulster and Tyrone will eat you up. Maybe if your own county have a bit of success again soon you will forget about Tyrone.

I seem to remember a poster from Sligo calling you out on some of your so called great players from the past and their behaviour on the field of play and you didint have too much to say for yourself then.

[AZOffaly]

Nothing wrong with whispering a few sweet nothings in your opponent's ear. Never did it myself and was rarely on the receiving end but if you're not thick-skinned enough to take it then you should take up camogie.

If there's nothing wrong with it, why did you never do it?

And this is not the old 'You're one useless bollix' or 'How are you even making this team, ye must be shite'. The dancing and roaring in a lads face like a baboon on steroids is what I think can be policed, and should be. The sneaky spiteful comments about family or whatever should be made unacceptable by the team coaches.

[screenexile]

Nothing wrong with whispering a few sweet nothings in your opponent's ear. Never did it myself and was rarely on the receiving end but if you're not thick-skinned enough to take it then you should take up camogie.

If there's nothing wrong with it, why did you never do it?

And this is not the old 'You're one useless bollix' or 'How are you even making this team, ye must be shite'. The dancing and roaring in a lads face like a baboon on steroids is what I think can be policed, and should be. The sneaky spiteful comments about family or whatever should be made unacceptable by the team coaches.

As I said before the Wife/Girlfriend sister thing was annoying but I wouldn't have let it bother me when playing football and I would have told anybody on my teams to let it go... to bring in a young lad's Father who recently died of cancer into it well that's just beyond anything I thought possible!! There's no defending that. Although some here seem to want to!

[NAG1]

Nothing wrong with whispering a few sweet nothings in your opponent's ear. Never did it myself and was rarely on the receiving end but if you're not thick-skinned enough to take it then you should take up camogie.

That's the difference General, even in camogie if someone decided to insult or goad an opposition player they are likely to receive a sharp jab to remind them that this is not acceptable behaviour.

[LeoMc]

Nothing wrong with whispering a few sweet nothings in your opponent's ear. Never did it myself and was rarely on the receiving end but if you're not thick-skinned enough to take it then you should take up camogie.

If there's nothing wrong with it, why did you never do it?

And this is not the old 'You're one useless bollix' or 'How are you even making this team, ye must be shite'. The dancing and roaring in a lads face like a baboon on steroids is what I think can be policed, and should be. The sneaky spiteful comments about family or whatever should be made unacceptable by the team coaches.

As I said before the Wife/Girlfriend sister thing was annoying but I wouldn't have let it bother me when playing football and I would have told anybody on my teams to let it go... to bring in a young lad's Father who recently died of cancer into it well that's just beyond anything I thought possible!! There's no defending that. Although some here seem to want to!

I haven't see any one defend it. Have you?

[Stall the Bailer]

Is it just a coincidence that McMenamin is part of the Tyrone Minor back room team and now sledging at underage level is under the microscope . . .

As I've said before Mickey "I say the Rosary a million times a day" Harte should have stamped this out as soon as McMenamin started it all those years ago!! He brought it to the next level and Harte was complicit in that and tries to paint himself as some kind of Saint!!

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[blewuporstuffed]

Nothing wrong with whispering a few sweet nothings in your opponent's ear. Never did it myself and was rarely on the receiving end but if you're not thick-skinned enough to take it then you should take up camogie.

If there's nothing wrong with it, why did you never do it?

And this is not the old 'You're one useless bollix' or 'How are you even making this team, ye must be shite'. The dancing and roaring in a lads face like a baboon on steroids is what I think can be policed, and should be. The sneaky spiteful comments about family or whatever should be made unacceptable by the team coaches.

I agree AZ, it has to come from a  culture change rather than relying on referees to police something like that.
It seems to have come to a head now, so maybe it will be eased up on by those who have taken it too far.

[omaghjoe]

The bigger picture here is to find out the reasoning behind it, where its coming from and who is instigating it.

If true, Why/How does a minor in Tyrone find out who he'll be marking from Donegal and then research that player to find out something so personal about him. Does he take to his facebook himself or is there someone giving him this information.

And in the interest of balance, why would any player from any county/club go to these lengths.

It will take strong county boards (even clubs) to look at their own houses and insure that this is stopped ASAP. Its this premeditated stuff and thinking that has to be looked at. You will always get the reactionary stuff from on the field events - you missed the free, that looks like your replacement warming up, general shite talk - hard to police and spot.

But this other stuff has to stop. It will end up with a serious injury or the sport been dragged into the front papers when a high profile incident like this happens again. And more importantly, its totally disrespectful and disgusting.

This started a long time ago and is ingrained in their culture. Just pull out the quote from Harte in 2000 where he talks about it . They've evolved from the phone numbers saga to more sinister tactics.

Unfortunately the Dublin team in the era of 03-08 followed Tyrone down the sledging route. Thankfully Gilroy and Gavin got rid of it. It's as much up to team managers to lead by example. But it seems to be par for the course in the Ulster Championship now. Last Sunday was terrible by both teams

I think the 3 bits highlighted sums up your attitude.
Maybe you could pull up Hartes quote. IIRC he only said it was part of the game and you had to be prepared for it. That is a big jump to claiming it is coached systematically in Ulster Counties.
I would concede that Hartes Pontius Pilate act, "its part of the game what can you do", has not helped. Not condemning it leads to tacit acceptance and it may be no coincidence that Tyrone u-21's and minors both have former players from the 03-08 era in their backroom team.

What he said was that sledging was preferable to physical contact off the ball and he was very wrong in that. Neither are acceptable . I said it last week and I'll say it again you have a serious problem in your development structure as regards sledging and only Tyrone can sort it out. Where there is a will there is a way
You're not the only ones at senior level it's pretty rampant at that level in all provinces but it's definitely more prevalent in Ulster but you're certainly one of the few at underage level. Stamp it out there and then it doesn't become a problem later on

Anythng ive read from Harte on the subject was that he prefered someone whispering in his ear to a box on the lug.

He didnt say either were acceptable he just said what he prefered, and to go from that to your conclusion about sledging coaching structure is laughable

Although not as laughable as your conclusion that Dublin copied Tyrone, I actually laughed out loud at that one