LSFC - Longford v Dublin 31 May 2015 in Croke Park

[Teo Lurley]

Dublin barely beat Longford in 2006, they were very lucky to win by two points. What has happened between then and now to leave such a big gap between the teams?

Money and serious investment!

We need the provincial championship. But we also need a grading system for the (so called) weaker counties. The way to make a competition  like the Tommy Murphy successful is to offer a Quarter final place for the winner. That way teams can still compete to stay in the AI series and still look at winning their own AI title.

How much money?

[Syferus]

Dublin barely beat Longford in 2006, they were very lucky to win by two points. What has happened between then and now to leave such a big gap between the teams?

Money and serious investment!

We need the provincial championship. But we also need a grading system for the (so called) weaker counties. The way to make a competition  like the Tommy Murphy successful is to offer a Quarter final place for the winner. That way teams can still compete to stay in the AI series and still look at winning their own AI title.

How much money?

A lot. The exact sums Don't Matter.

[Zulu]

Dublin barely beat Longford in 2006, they were very lucky to win by two points. What has happened between then and now to leave such a big gap between the teams?

Money and serious investment!

We need the provincial championship. But we also need a grading system for the (so called) weaker counties. The way to make a competition  like the Tommy Murphy successful is to offer a Quarter final place for the winner. That way teams can still compete to stay in the AI series and still look at winning their own AI title.

I disagree, why do we need the provincial championships? And if you had a weaker championship that offered you a quarter final place what would prevent some teams from going into it for an easier path to the business end of the championship? Or why should a weaker team get the quarter finals through the Tommy Murphy while a stronger team gets knocked out through the traditional path?

[Shamrock Shore]

Feck it.

That was terrible. Terrible.

But we got similar hammerings in the late 80s and early 90s from the likes of Laois, Offaly and Meath. Yet we survived.

Yes - get rid of provincials but don't annoy me with so-called 'two tier' championships cos you may as well go straight to All Ireland semi finals in May.

We deserve to compete as that's the only way you can see where you need to go.

Who remembers the clusterfuck the Tommy Cooper competition was?

[heffo]

Dublin barely beat Longford in 2006, they were very lucky to win by two points. What has happened between then and now to leave such a big gap between the teams?

Money and serious investment!

We need the provincial championship. But we also need a grading system for the (so called) weaker counties. The way to make a competition  like the Tommy Murphy successful is to offer a Quarter final place for the winner. That way teams can still compete to stay in the AI series and still look at winning their own AI title.

How much money?

A lot. The exact sums Don't Matter.

The year before that result in 2006 we beat them by 19 points

[Jinxy]

Dublin barely beat Longford in 2006, they were very lucky to win by two points. What has happened between then and now to leave such a big gap between the teams?

Money and serious investment!

We need the provincial championship. But we also need a grading system for the (so called) weaker counties. The way to make a competition  like the Tommy Murphy successful is to offer a Quarter final place for the winner. That way teams can still compete to stay in the AI series and still look at winning their own AI title.

How much money?

A lot. The exact sums Don't Matter.

It's that time of year again...

[Teo Lurley]

Dublin barely beat Longford in 2006, they were very lucky to win by two points. What has happened between then and now to leave such a big gap between the teams?

Money and serious investment!

We need the provincial championship. But we also need a grading system for the (so called) weaker counties. The way to make a competition  like the Tommy Murphy successful is to offer a Quarter final place for the winner. That way teams can still compete to stay in the AI series and still look at winning their own AI title.

How much money?

A lot. The exact sums Don't Matter.

What does that mean? Why doesn't it matter?

[heffo]

Dublin barely beat Longford in 2006, they were very lucky to win by two points. What has happened between then and now to leave such a big gap between the teams?

Money and serious investment!

We need the provincial championship. But we also need a grading system for the (so called) weaker counties. The way to make a competition  like the Tommy Murphy successful is to offer a Quarter final place for the winner. That way teams can still compete to stay in the AI series and still look at winning their own AI title.

How much money?

A lot. The exact sums Don't Matter.

What does that mean? Why doesn't it matter?

It doesn't matter because it's redundant toothed issue at hand. The year funding for Dublin Huling primary school children started Dublin beat Longford by 19 points, so attempts by Syferus or one of his aliases to link one to the other is clearly bullshi€

[INDIANA]

Feck it.

That was terrible. Terrible.

But we got similar hammerings in the late 80s and early 90s from the likes of Laois, Offaly and Meath. Yet we survived.

Yes - get rid of provincials but don't annoy me with so-called 'two tier' championships cos you may as well go straight to All Ireland semi finals in May.

We deserve to compete as that's the only way you can see where you need to go.

Who remembers the clusterfuck the Tommy Cooper competition was?

You cannot compete effectively in the AI Championship from Div 3 and 4. Thats the reality.

THe championship to start with should be split into two Tiers with promotion and relegation applying.

[screenexile]

Feck it.

That was terrible. Terrible.

But we got similar hammerings in the late 80s and early 90s from the likes of Laois, Offaly and Meath. Yet we survived.

Yes - get rid of provincials but don't annoy me with so-called 'two tier' championships cos you may as well go straight to All Ireland semi finals in May.

We deserve to compete as that's the only way you can see where you need to go.

Who remembers the clusterfuck the Tommy Cooper competition was?

You cannot compete effectively in the AI Championship from Div 3 and 4. Thats the reality.

THe championship to start with should be split into two Tiers with promotion and relegation applying.

I think we need a two tiered Championship with the winners/finalists of the 2nd tier comp getting rewarded with a place in the All Ireland series. Antrim/Longford/Carlow/Leitrim/Limerick/Waterford/Wicklow.

The problem is we're too big on tradition and when it comes down to it the delegates from these counties won't vote for it. It's a shame that pride should get in the way of progress. Winning the 2nd tier competition and getting to Croker would be a huge carrot for these sides and would give them something to build on for the future whereas what motivation is there for those teams in the current system??

[INDIANA]

Feck it.

That was terrible. Terrible.

But we got similar hammerings in the late 80s and early 90s from the likes of Laois, Offaly and Meath. Yet we survived.

Yes - get rid of provincials but don't annoy me with so-called 'two tier' championships cos you may as well go straight to All Ireland semi finals in May.

We deserve to compete as that's the only way you can see where you need to go.

Who remembers the clusterfuck the Tommy Cooper competition was?

You cannot compete effectively in the AI Championship from Div 3 and 4. Thats the reality.

THe championship to start with should be split into two Tiers with promotion and relegation applying.

I think we need a two tiered Championship with the winners/finalists of the 2nd tier comp getting rewarded with a place in the All Ireland series. Antrim/Longford/Carlow/Leitrim/Limerick/Waterford/Wicklow.

The problem is we're too big on tradition and when it comes down to it the delegates from these counties won't vote for it. It's a shame that pride should get in the way of progress. Winning the 2nd tier competition and getting to Croker would be a huge carrot for these sides and would give them something to build on for the future whereas what motivation is there for those teams in the current system??

Agreed but I dont know why anyone would want to train for 6 months to lose by 27 points. The tiered system has been a real success in hurling. But Football seems to be the Rubicon the GAA wont cross

[Syferus]

Feck it.

That was terrible. Terrible.

But we got similar hammerings in the late 80s and early 90s from the likes of Laois, Offaly and Meath. Yet we survived.

Yes - get rid of provincials but don't annoy me with so-called 'two tier' championships cos you may as well go straight to All Ireland semi finals in May.

We deserve to compete as that's the only way you can see where you need to go.

Who remembers the clusterfuck the Tommy Cooper competition was?

You cannot compete effectively in the AI Championship from Div 3 and 4. Thats the reality.

THe championship to start with should be split into two Tiers with promotion and relegation applying.

I think we need a two tiered Championship with the winners/finalists of the 2nd tier comp getting rewarded with a place in the All Ireland series. Antrim/Longford/Carlow/Leitrim/Limerick/Waterford/Wicklow.

The problem is we're too big on tradition and when it comes down to it the delegates from these counties won't vote for it. It's a shame that pride should get in the way of progress. Winning the 2nd tier competition and getting to Croker would be a huge carrot for these sides and would give them something to build on for the future whereas what motivation is there for those teams in the current system??

Agreed but I dont know why anyone would want to train for 6 months to lose by 27 points. The tiered system has been a real success in hurling. But Football seems to be the Rubicon the GAA wont cross

What team has the tiered system ever uplifted in hurling? Hurling looks like an elitist closed shop to me. Not a good model for football or any sport to chase after.

[theticklemister]

Feck it.

That was terrible. Terrible.

But we got similar hammerings in the late 80s and early 90s from the likes of Laois, Offaly and Meath. Yet we survived.

Yes - get rid of provincials but don't annoy me with so-called 'two tier' championships cos you may as well go straight to All Ireland semi finals in May.

We deserve to compete as that's the only way you can see where you need to go.

Who remembers the clusterfuck the Tommy Cooper competition was?

You cannot compete effectively in the AI Championship from Div 3 and 4. Thats the reality.

THe championship to start with should be split into two Tiers with promotion and relegation applying.

I think we need a two tiered Championship with the winners/finalists of the 2nd tier comp getting rewarded with a place in the All Ireland series. Antrim/Longford/Carlow/Leitrim/Limerick/Waterford/Wicklow.

The problem is we're too big on tradition and when it comes down to it the delegates from these counties won't vote for it. It's a shame that pride should get in the way of progress. Winning the 2nd tier competition and getting to Croker would be a huge carrot for these sides and would give them something to build on for the future whereas what motivation is there for those teams in the current system??

Agreed but I dont know why anyone would want to train for 6 months to lose by 27 points. The tiered system has been a real success in hurling. But Football seems to be the Rubicon the GAA wont cross

What team has the tiered system ever uplifted in hurling? Hurling looks like an elitist closed shop to me. Not a good model for football or any sport to chase after.

great buzz in derry at getting to the chrity ring final next week.

great for the lads. 2 city men in the starting 15 and they are over the moon.

[Ohtoohtobe]

Using my own Kildare as an example, we have lost our last three games to Dublin by 13, 16 and 10 points.
In the same period we have beaten Down in Newry by 10 points and lost to Monaghan by two points after extra-time. Just after losing to Dublin by 16 points in 2013 (could have been 30 points only for Shane Connolly) we lost to Tyrone by two and could easily have won. 
In other words we are completely unable to compete with Dublin and yet much of a muchness with all the Ulster counties in championship.
Easy to say Leinster is an embarrassment from the safety of another province. The reality is that if we traded places with Cavan or Roscommon our chances of a provincial title would immediately increase while theirs would drop to zero.

PS: Do not patronise the Larries for the Larries will rise again.

[Syferus]

Feck it.

That was terrible. Terrible.

But we got similar hammerings in the late 80s and early 90s from the likes of Laois, Offaly and Meath. Yet we survived.

Yes - get rid of provincials but don't annoy me with so-called 'two tier' championships cos you may as well go straight to All Ireland semi finals in May.

We deserve to compete as that's the only way you can see where you need to go.

Who remembers the clusterfuck the Tommy Cooper competition was?

You cannot compete effectively in the AI Championship from Div 3 and 4. Thats the reality.

THe championship to start with should be split into two Tiers with promotion and relegation applying.

I think we need a two tiered Championship with the winners/finalists of the 2nd tier comp getting rewarded with a place in the All Ireland series. Antrim/Longford/Carlow/Leitrim/Limerick/Waterford/Wicklow.

The problem is we're too big on tradition and when it comes down to it the delegates from these counties won't vote for it. It's a shame that pride should get in the way of progress. Winning the 2nd tier competition and getting to Croker would be a huge carrot for these sides and would give them something to build on for the future whereas what motivation is there for those teams in the current system??

Agreed but I dont know why anyone would want to train for 6 months to lose by 27 points. The tiered system has been a real success in hurling. But Football seems to be the Rubicon the GAA wont cross

What team has the tiered system ever uplifted in hurling? Hurling looks like an elitist closed shop to me. Not a good model for football or any sport to chase after.

great buzz in derry at getting to the chrity ring final next week.

great for the lads. 2 city men in the starting 15 and they are over the moon.

We're in the Nicky Rackard final - clearly the players care, and that's good. I just don't see how fencing off second tier teams in hurling has ever even approached helping them ever entertain ambitions of being competive at the top level. If anything the absurd hoops a team has to jump through upon winning the second competition to even gain entery to the AI competition tells a story of a sport that cares very little about uplifting the sport in other counties.