New Catholic Church/ DUP coalition! Is this they way forward?

[T Fearon]

Ziggy i do not support discrimination against anyone.

Rossfan I am in agreement with you.

[deiseach]

If a private business wants to turn away customers - let them at it. It creates a grand little opportunity for someone else.
E.g if Tony's mythical B+B doesn't want gay couples, unmarried heterosexual couples or whatever - open another B+B near him with a sign saying "All paying guests welcome".
Different if it's a public body e.g a Council refusing Planning permission to a gay couple to build a house.

The same rationale used by supporters of segregation in the South during Jim Crow. Open your own shop, Dr King.

[T Fearon]

Rubbish.It is not segregation,discrimination nor bigotry to retain the right to refrain from providing goods or services contrary to your religious beliefs.If a Catholic pharmacist refuses to stock contracepties for catholic customers is thatbdiscrimination? Ashers have basically done something similar to this.

[Rossfan]

If a private business wants to turn away customers - let them at it. It creates a grand little opportunity for someone else.
E.g if Tony's mythical B+B doesn't want gay couples, unmarried heterosexual couples or whatever - open another B+B near him with a sign saying "All paying guests welcome".
Different if it's a public body e.g a Council refusing Planning permission to a gay couple to build a house.

The same rationale used by supporters of segregation in the South during Jim Crow. Open your own shop, Dr King.

Dr King's shop would no doubt get the custom of fair minded whites and ALL the black people.

[deiseach]

If a private business wants to turn away customers - let them at it. It creates a grand little opportunity for someone else.
E.g if Tony's mythical B+B doesn't want gay couples, unmarried heterosexual couples or whatever - open another B+B near him with a sign saying "All paying guests welcome".
Different if it's a public body e.g a Council refusing Planning permission to a gay couple to build a house.

The same rationale used by supporters of segregation in the South during Jim Crow. Open your own shop, Dr King.

Dr King's shop would no doubt get the custom of fair minded whites and ALL the black people.

What, both of them? How far does this libertarian notion of yours go? Do you think attempts to get Harland and Wolff and Shorts to employ Catholics to have been an infringement on their civil liberties? Maybe the Taigs should have set up their own ship yard.

[Rossfan]

You remind me of that remit that used to head the Equality Authority.
He came up with so many PC off the wall rulings FF had to fire him.
Last straw was when ruled against a publican who refused to serve a drunk lad who had a child with him at 9 PM.
He declared it discrimination against people with children.

[deiseach]

Reductio ad absurdum.

[give her dixie]

I'm just wondering how many of the great defenders of human rights here would willingly be seen entering a gay bar or club for example?

I have no problem going into gay bars. In fact, since I don't go to church anymore it's the only place where I meet Priests.

[Hardy]

I cannot perceive any other plausible reason why two same sex members would want to share a bed.In fact in my experience hetrosexual males are loathe to even share a room!

[muppet]

I'm just wondering how many of the great defenders of human rights here would willingly be seen entering a gay bar or club for example?

I don't know if you will find a date here, but good luck with it.

[deiseach]

You remind me of that remit that used to head the Equality Authority.
He came up with so many PC off the wall rulings FF had to fire him.
Last straw was when ruled against a publican who refused to serve a drunk lad who had a child with him at 9 PM.
He declared it discrimination against people with children.

Can you provide a link to this case? Thanks.

[Rossfan]

No,.. It was 2009 or 2010 as far as I recall. Crowley was the head of that Body.

[armaghniac]

You remind me of that remit that used to head the Equality Authority.
He came up with so many PC off the wall rulings FF had to fire him.
Last straw was when ruled against a publican who refused to serve a drunk lad who had a child with him at 9 PM.
He declared it discrimination against people with children.

Can you provide a link to this case? Thanks.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/publicans-attack-daft-bid-to-scrap-child-pub-curfews-26060772.html

Michael McDowell subsequently amended the law to bring in the 9pm curfew for minors in the  Intoxicating Liquor Act 2003.

[J70]

Jesus would love the sinner and hate the sin.Equality is not achieved by approving or tolerating sin,and it is total hypocrisy to advocate gay marriage etc while ridiculing Christianity and Christians

By that  logic, it must be total hypocrisy to advocate racial equality while ridiculing racists.

Is there anything that can't be labeled hypocrisy by that standard?

Perhaps you need to look up the definition of "hypocrisy"?

For example, if I was to advocate for gay marriage while, behind the scenes doing everything I could to prevent it, that would be hypocritical. Advocating for something while ridiculing  those who oppose it, is not, in any shape or form, hypocrisy. And intolerance of intolerance is not a bad thing.

[deiseach]

That's the case I thought it might be, armaghniac. No mention of drunkenness there, and the law has been changed since then. Rightly so, in my opinion, but it's so much easier to lump people in with those you don't like than respond to awkward scenarios.