Sigerson 2015

[Syferus]

The ITS appeal will be heard tonight in Croke Park

Surely they aren't going to go ahead and have Sligo playing in Cork tomorrow if the appeal is successful? When will it be held in that case..Thursday/Friday?
Doubtful it will succeed anyway.

Yah really?

[ck]

The ITS appeal will be heard tonight in Croke Park

Surely they aren't going to go ahead and have Sligo playing in Cork tomorrow if the appeal is successful? When will it be held in that case..Thursday/Friday?
Doubtful it will succeed anyway.

Thanks for confidence shown in us Ciarrai!

[David McKeown]

Good to see. If the rule wasn't in the rule book then ITS did nothing wrong. Just shows how incompetent the GAA can be some times though

[OverThePostsAWide]

Good to see. If the rule wasn't in the rule book then ITS did nothing wrong. Just shows how incompetent the GAA can be some times though

Classic incompetent GAA. Make a rule ...and then forget to put it in the constitution 

I wondered why Stronghold - a man in the know - was quiet on this particular matter given that on the face of it, it should have been a clear-cut case.

Sligo are the cleverest (or luckiest) team left in the Sigerson. Good luck to them. They'll be like popcorn out of a hot pan bouncing onto the Mardyke on Friday! 

[FermGael]

St Mary's v DCU today at 2 p.m in St Genevieve's High School in West Belfast.
It's where the old St Joseph's training college used to be.
Up past Casement on the left hand side.

[OverThePostsAWide]

Stranmillis is a stand alone club competiting in Div 3 football and in ladies competitions. It has the same rights and independence as St Mary's .
Queens lost this case before Christmas at the Higher Education Committee, then lost again at the Central Appeals Committee. Then went to the DRA and lost again. (Must have more money than sense)
Surely you are not suggesting that Queens can pick St Mary's students. Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.

Help me out here Stronghold. I don't see any Queen's related decisions posted here (the latest one is from the end of October - after the Ryan Cup started):
http://www.sportsdra.ie/dradecisions.htm

Post a link up when it gets out of your head and into the real world Stronghold. There's a good lad.

It is obvious that neither college were trying to sneak the players in question through.

Occam's Razor...

- Sligo through ignorance and/or stupidity thought their sabattical officer was eligible.
- Queen's through pig-headedness believe Stranmillis students should continue to be allowed to play for them as they did last year and the years before that.
- Stronghold has an agenda and has been caught telling porkies. Again.

Ignorance, stupidity, and pig-headedness are founding principles of the GAA. Somebody put the kettle on.

No porkies, No agenda, just facts. Queens went to CA , CAC and then the DRA before Christmas.  The dicision must not be posted yet on the DRA site. All third level clubs in the Country where notified of this. Check it out yourself.  I'll accept an apology later.

I am confused Stronghold. So the DRA - the pre-eminent and binding dispute authority in the GAA - ruled before Christmas that Stranmillis students were ineligible, but In February the lowly CAC turned this decision on its head and says the DRA were wrong and they are eligible?

Stronghold? Stronghold? Are you there Stronghold?

[OverThePostsAWide]

Can you put the pitch forks down now lads? You'll put somebody's eye out.

This is the GAA we all know and love. We're all part of the problem...

Queens complain that Sligo IT had ineligible player not realising they had three themselves. A joke is right.

Lol, well done Queens. You got what you deserved, but you managed to take ITS with you in your crusade of sour grapes.

Sounds like both Colleges fucked up badly. Stranmillis College now have their own Football team and obviously the 3 lads were too good that Queens tried to snap them up and it bit them in the ass.

DRA anyone? I hope not!

Queens should be banned from  the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out

Hopefully both IT Sligo and Queens will be too embarrassed to take this any further.

I can't get my head round why did Queens play the three players if as Stronghold says they'd already appealed the decision and lost on three occasions, surely they didn't think they'd get away with it.

I'm not on a witchhunt but is it a case that college teams have no accountability and therefore they take the risks. If it was the case that players and officials had the threat of bans hanging over them, you'd see a lot of it cleaning itself up very quickly.

Queens should be banned from  the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out

Agree with this, and perhaps they still will. It should certainly be an option for council.

Queens on the other hand, look like right fools..kicking up a fuss when they had 3 illegal players themselves. Should get a 1 year ban from the competition IMO.

And if that is not stupid enough, the draw more attention to themselves by reporting Sligo IT's transgressions!!!

I don't see the punishment that Queen's got as a deterrent at all.
The players in question should suspended.
The College administrators should be suspended.
The colleges should get future bans in Sigerson.

So the illegal players are looking at 48 week bans just like Andrew Shore, the Wexford hurler?

Both teams should be banned for 2 years. Time to knock that shite on the head.

The Sigerson needs a serious clamp down, proper deterrants as mentioned before - teams banned from following year competition - would soon root it out

Queens got less than they deserved. The sheer arrogance of them appealing the result on the grounds of a sabbatical officer when they had so many illegal players still amazes me. Did they think ITS would just sit back and not say a word as they tried to get them kicked out of the competition?

It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.

Got to love this post. Classic QUB. Queens caught getting up to shenanigans, then try to deflect attention onto UUJ.

After all these years, QUB are still trying to find true north on the moral compass

[Captain Obvious]

Can you put the pitch forks down now lads? You'll put somebody's eye out.

This is the GAA we all know and love. We're all part of the problem...

Queens complain that Sligo IT had ineligible player not realising they had three themselves. A joke is right.

Lol, well done Queens. You got what you deserved, but you managed to take ITS with you in your crusade of sour grapes.

Sounds like both Colleges fucked up badly. Stranmillis College now have their own Football team and obviously the 3 lads were too good that Queens tried to snap them up and it bit them in the ass.

DRA anyone? I hope not!

Queens should be banned from  the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out

Hopefully both IT Sligo and Queens will be too embarrassed to take this any further.

I can't get my head round why did Queens play the three players if as Stronghold says they'd already appealed the decision and lost on three occasions, surely they didn't think they'd get away with it.

I'm not on a witchhunt but is it a case that college teams have no accountability and therefore they take the risks. If it was the case that players and officials had the threat of bans hanging over them, you'd see a lot of it cleaning itself up very quickly.

Queens should be banned from  the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out

Agree with this, and perhaps they still will. It should certainly be an option for council.

Queens on the other hand, look like right fools..kicking up a fuss when they had 3 illegal players themselves. Should get a 1 year ban from the competition IMO.

And if that is not stupid enough, the draw more attention to themselves by reporting Sligo IT's transgressions!!!

I don't see the punishment that Queen's got as a deterrent at all.
The players in question should suspended.
The College administrators should be suspended.
The colleges should get future bans in Sigerson.

So the illegal players are looking at 48 week bans just like Andrew Shore, the Wexford hurler?

Both teams should be banned for 2 years. Time to knock that shite on the head.

The Sigerson needs a serious clamp down, proper deterrants as mentioned before - teams banned from following year competition - would soon root it out

Queens got less than they deserved. The sheer arrogance of them appealing the result on the grounds of a sabbatical officer when they had so many illegal players still amazes me. Did they think ITS would just sit back and not say a word as they tried to get them kicked out of the competition?

It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.

Got to love this post. Classic QUB. Queens caught getting up to shenanigans, then try to deflect attention onto UUJ.

After all these years, QUB are still trying to find true north on the moral compass

I made a pitch fork comment? Serious work on the quoting though, well done.

[stronghold]

Lads in all honesty I did not see this one coming.  I would say there are a few in Higher Education at Croke Park level scratching their heads this morning.  These rulings have severe implications for the CA constitution.  The ruling in relation to Queens/Stanmillis has opened a Pandora's box in relation to small affiliated colleges.
I also think we need to get the full text of the determination by CAC. The CA will either have to accept the rulings and move on or change the constitution again.
I can see a Fitzgibbon/Sigerson competition without County players in the future.

[OverThePostsAWide]

Lads in all honesty I did not see this one coming.  I would say there are a few in Higher Education at Croke Park level scratching their heads this morning.  These rulings have severe implications for the CA constitution.  The ruling in relation to Queens/Stanmillis has opened a Pandora's box in relation to small affiliated colleges.
I also think we need to get the full text of the determination by CAC. The CA will either have to accept the rulings and move on or change the constitution again.
I can see a Fitzgibbon/Sigerson competition without County players in the future.

You're at your misinformation again Stronghold. Stranmillis is not an affiliated college (unlike St Mary's). You are stuck in a time-warp. Stranmillis University College is a fully integrated part of Queen's and has been for some time:
http://www.stran.ac.uk/informationabout/theuniversitycollege/

"The University College Education Strategy 
When we adopted our new title in 1999, we became academically integrated with the main body of Queen's University.  As a consequence,all of the features of the student experience within the University are also available to students in Stranmillis"

It would make as much (non)sense for the Queen's Faculty of Engineering to set up a football club...

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

Lads in all honesty I did not see this one coming.  I would say there are a few in Higher Education at Croke Park level scratching their heads this morning.  These rulings have severe implications for the CA constitution.  The ruling in relation to Queens/Stanmillis has opened a Pandora's box in relation to small affiliated colleges.
I also think we need to get the full text of the determination by CAC. The CA will either have to accept the rulings and move on or change the constitution again.
I can see a Fitzgibbon/Sigerson competition without County players in the future.

You're at your misinformation again Stronghold. Stranmillis is not an affiliated college (unlike St Mary's). You are stuck in a time-warp. Stranmillis University College is a fully integrated part of Queen's and has been for some time:
http://www.stran.ac.uk/informationabout/theuniversitycollege/

"The University College Education Strategy 
When we adopted our new title in 1999, we became academically integrated with the main body of Queen's University.  As a consequence,all of the features of the student experience within the University are also available to students in Stranmillis"

It would make as much (non)sense for the Queen's Faculty of Engineering to set up a football club...

HE GAA Fixtures
Wednesday 11 Feb 2015
Independent.ie HE GAA Corn Comhairle Ardoideachais 2015   
Semi-Final
2 00 PM
Stranmillis UC GFC   
V
Mater Dei

Some here mightn't be aware of it, but this is an exact replica of the Mary Immaculate/UL split that happened in Limerick a few years ago.
Mary I is the teacher training college of UL, they get their degrees from UL, ID cards say UL etc..
They formed their own GAA club, became affiliated and players play for them and NOT UL in all 3rd level competition now.

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

Surprised at the IT Sligo reinstatement, but at least matters on the field can take over now hopefully and that will be the end of it.

As Stronghold says, correctly, this does not reflect very well on the CA. Throwing out a team for breaking a certain rule..only for it to be discovered they didn't put the rule into the current CA constitution?
Shoddy, shoddy workmanship.

[stronghold]

sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/

The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra,  UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/

The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra,  UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort

See bit added to end of my post above Stronghold. MaryI/UL and St. Pats/DCU are all clearcut and sorted as far as I can see. They are separately affiliated clubs under CA even though they may be academically affiliated to UL/DCU.
The Ranch are clearly separate, which is obvious..but it would appear this Stranmillis situation is the last "blurred line" so to speak.

[ck]

sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/

The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra,  UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort

And what about your beloved Jordanstown Stronghold? Will you answer my questions I have now posed 3 times?

Q: Are all those who lined out for Jordanstown in Sigerson this year full time students at Jordanstown? Yes/No