John Delaney singing Joe McDonnell

[trueblue1234]

Obviously that's what you think. I'd completely disagree.

[gallsman]

Obviously that's what you think. I'd completely disagree.

Put it like this, would it be acceptable for the IFA (or FA) chairman to sing the Billy Boys in a pub?

[AZOffaly]

Obviously that's what you think. I'd completely disagree.

Put it like this, would it be acceptable for the IFA (or FA) chairman to sing the Billy Boys in a pub?

The Billy Boys is a bit of an extreme example. If you said the Sash, that would be similar and your question still stands.

[gallsman]

Obviously that's what you think. I'd completely disagree.

Put it like this, would it be acceptable for the IFA (or FA) chairman to sing the Billy Boys in a pub?

The Billy Boys is a bit of an extreme example. If you said the Sash, that would be similar and your question still stands.

It is, but I did it deliberately anticipating a particular response. What matters here is the perspective we apply to "our songs" vs "their songs". Because "ours" aren't about blood or guts or murder, we can't or refuse to comprehend that they might be considered offensive by others.

[AZOffaly]

I get your point. Just trying to preempt the responses about equivalence between the Joe McDonnell song and the Billy Boys.

[gallsman]

I get your point. Just trying to preempt the responses about equivalence between the Joe McDonnell song and the Billy Boys.

Oh they'll come alright. Can draw fair equivalence between them in that they're both utter bilge.

[rodney trotter]

Epic stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTcKkFui0qw&feature=player_embedded

[balladmaker]

It's basically described as a republican ballad, which it is, albeit a f**king dreadful one

A matter of opinion, and one which you are entitled to, however, I'd disagree with that opinion.  It is definitely a ballad, it is definitely a ballad about a republican icon and how he gave his life for his beliefs. Personally, I view the song to be probably the finest ballad to emanate from Ireland for a generation.  That's my opinion, which I'm also entitled to ... peace.

[gallsman]

It's basically described as a republican ballad, which it is, albeit a f**king dreadful one

A matter of opinion, and one which you are entitled to, however, I'd disagree with that opinion.  It is definitely a ballad, it is definitely a ballad about a republican icon and how he gave his life for his beliefs. Personally, I view the song to be probably the finest ballad to emanate from Ireland for a generation.  That's my opinion, which I'm also entitled to ... peace.

Perfectly entitled to it. Although you'd praise one of the Wolfe Tones farting and scratching their hole if they recorded it.

[trueblue1234]

Obviously that's what you think. I'd completely disagree.

Put it like this, would it be acceptable for the IFA (or FA) chairman to sing the Billy Boys in a pub?

The Billy Boys is a bit of an extreme example. If you said the Sash, that would be similar and your question still stands.

It is, but I did it deliberately anticipating a particular response. What matters here is the perspective we apply to "our songs" vs "their songs". Because "ours" aren't about blood or guts or murder, we can't or refuse to comprehend that they might be considered offensive by others.

Would there be an issue with the Head of the FA in England singing about the British Army or laying a poppy day wreath? Not a bit, would be a none story. And he would come under no pressure to apologise for doing so. And rightly so. 

[balladmaker]

Perfectly entitled to it. Although you'd praise one of the Wolfe Tones farting and scratching their hole if they recorded it.

Don't think I would, but just for you ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkxpgBFvS9s&index=24&list=PL_fDegjpDwfzgGnQP3HEOTI9-WMv-3ff3

[muppet]

Obviously that's what you think. I'd completely disagree.

Put it like this, would it be acceptable for the IFA (or FA) chairman to sing the Billy Boys in a pub?

The Billy Boys is a bit of an extreme example. If you said the Sash, that would be similar and your question still stands.

It is, but I did it deliberately anticipating a particular response. What matters here is the perspective we apply to "our songs" vs "their songs". Because "ours" aren't about blood or guts or murder, we can't or refuse to comprehend that they might be considered offensive by others.

Would there be an issue with the Head of the FA in England singing about the British Army or laying a poppy day wreath? Not a bit, would be a none story. And he would come under no pressure to apologise for doing so. And rightly so.

Would you have any problem if he sang about the Black & Tans, or Cromwell, or The Parachute Regiment?

[trueblue1234]

I asked first.

[muppet]

I asked first.

Your question was the equivalent of asking if Delaney sang the National Anthem or attended a ceremony at The Garden of Remembrance. I personally hate all that propaganda crap, whether it is the Poppy or its desperately sad imitation, the Easter Lily.

[trueblue1234]

I know, and I don't disagree with you. But I don't agree with the fact that the Head of the FAI shouldn't have or shouldn't express a republican view point because of that position when it's not reflecting the viewpoint of that organization.