Goal or Not??

[Farrandeelin]

It is slightly parochial but I'm a neutral and it's fairly contentious. People are saying "The whole ball isn't over the line" yet that wording is not used in the official guide.

Personally it makes no odds to me who won the match but the issue has fairly divided Derry and I thought it would be interesting to see what others thought of the incident. The Poll is a pretty resounding yes vote so far . . .

I thought that only applied to soccer, no? It does look to be a goal though.

[BallyhaiseMan]

So some posters hold the belief that  If "any of the ball" crosses the goal-line,then it's a goal??? 

[Farrandeelin]

So some posters hold the belief that  If "any of the ball" crosses the goal-line,then it's a goal??? 

Not 'any' per sé, but let's say 80%...Is it a goal then?

[Westside]

If the ball hits either post or the crossbar near enough to the edge it will still go in. So I don't think the whole of the ball should have to be over all of the goal line to count as a goal. That looks like a definite goal to me.

[cornerback]

Taken from Derry thread:

Going by the 3rd pic and with the camera slightly behind the line of the goal I think its fairly clear the centre of the ball has crossed the line, if the camera was dead in line it would only look better from the Slaughtneil perspective.

Is that the rule though? From the rule book:
3.1 A goal is scored when the ball is played over
the goal-line between the posts and under the
crossbar by either team.
http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/official_guides/Official_Guide_2012_Part2.pdf

Can't find anything else, so fairly open to interpretation. Always thought it was the whole of the ball had to cross but that seems to be the soccer rule, which is more specific:
A goal is scored when the whole of the ball passes over the goal line, between
the goalposts and under the crossbar.
Can anybody clarify?

1.1 The ball is in play once it has been thrown in
or kicked after the referee has given a signal to
start or restart play, and it remains in play until:
(a) the referee signals a stop;
(b) the ball has passed completely over any
boundary line or strikes any flag marking
the boundary lines;

Whole of the ball - no question - even if 3.1 isn't clear

[Aaron Boone]

Goal.
100%.

110%

[BallyhaiseMan]

So some posters hold the belief that  If "any of the ball" crosses the goal-line,then it's a goal??? 

Not 'any' per sé, but let's say 80%...Is it a goal then?

Not for me, no, the goal-line should surely be the same as any other part of the boundary line. The ball has to be fully over it.

1.1 The ball is in play once it has been thrown in
or kicked after the referee has given a signal to
start or restart play, and it remains in play until:
(a) the referee signals a stop;
(b) the ball has passed completely over any
boundary line or strikes any flag marking
the boundary lines;

Would that as taken from cornerback's post not cover it?

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

It's not over the line in the pics but that's not to say it never was.

+1...and in my view, 100% of ball has to cross line for it to be a goal

[lenny]

It's not over the line in the pics but that's not to say it never was.

Exactly. It's extremely possible/likely that the ball rolled another inch or 2 which is all that is needed for the ball to be over the line. The umpire saw it as a goal and made the decision and everyone has to accept that in good faith.

[BennyHarp]

It's not over the line in the pics but that's not to say it never was.

Exactly. It's extremely possible/likely that the ball rolled another inch or 2 which is all that is needed for the ball to be over the line. The umpire saw it as a goal and made the decision and everyone has to accept that in good faith.

I agree, there's enough of the ball over the line to understand how / why the umpire saw it as he did in the split second he had to make the decision. As mentioned, I'd imagine he made the decision in good faith and it should be accepted as such.

[PAULD123]

The marking for the line could be any thickness. So for a ball to cross the line meaning it has to travel the thickness of the would be quite variable. The line referred to in the rules and all other field sports is an imaginary line of virtually no thickness. So the inside edge of the marking is in fact the line. The field dimensions are marked to the inside face of the white marking line. The marking should coincide so that no matter how thick it is the inside face lines up exactly with the inside (in-field) face of the posts.

In the picture the whole ball has come inside the face of the posts, thus it has crossed the line at the face of the posts and so it is definitely a goal

[dferg]

The marking for the line could be any thickness. So for a ball to cross the line meaning it has to travel the thickness of the would be quite variable. The line referred to in the rules and all other field sports is an imaginary line of virtually no thickness. So the inside edge of the marking is in fact the line. The field dimensions are marked to the inside face of the white marking line. The marking should coincide so that no matter how thick it is the inside face lines up exactly with the inside (in-field) face of the posts.

In the picture the whole ball has come inside the face of the posts, thus it has crossed the line at the face of the posts and so it is definitely a goal

I agree with all of above that the rule should be that the whole of the ball has to cross the part of the line nearest the playing field otherwise how thick the line is painted will determine whether a goal is scored or not but the rule in soccer anyhow is that the whole of the ball has to cross the whole of the line.

[blanketattack]

In soccer all of the ball has to go over all of the line. In football, all of the ball has to go over the start of the line.
Therefor its a goal.

[muppet]

In soccer all of the ball has to go over all of the line. In football, all of the ball has to go over the start of the line.
Therefor its a goal.

The wording I believe is ball must go 'over the line' which is ambiguous, but not for the reason you suggest.

[Bensars]

Goal !

In real time the umpire would have seen most of the ball over the line and the clawback from the keeper.  Goal all day long