Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[Walter White]

I've done a good few sessions on the new rules, but two things I didn't understand last night:

Niall Morgan recovered a bad pass in his own half, but both players were in the opposition half when the ball was played. No free was given so I assume this is allowed? I think for a second, Morgan was indicating to his team mates that he couldn't touch it, then saw there was no one close and lifted it. I could be wrong, but I think he expected a free against. I expected the whistle to go.

Second, David Coldrick stopped the clock/watch for subs, injuries and anything else needed. Why didn't the hooter go at 70mins? I thought the idea was to take injury time and the subjectiveness out of time keeping, so not sure why the game went on to 73:08.

Maybe these are just day one mix ups, but thought I'd check.

[Rossfan]

Hooter clock stops as well

[Wildweasel74]

Ones were saying the Morgan collecting the ball was a free, but haven't really studied  the new rules in detail.

[JoG2]

I've done a good few sessions on the new rules, but two things I didn't understand last night:

Niall Morgan recovered a bad pass in his own half, but both players were in the opposition half when the ball was played. No free was given so I assume this is allowed? I think for a second, Morgan was indicating to his team mates that he couldn't touch it, then saw there was no one close and lifted it. I could be wrong, but I think he expected a free against. I expected the whistle to go.

Second, David Coldrick stopped the clock/watch for subs, injuries and anything else needed. Why didn't the hooter go at 70mins? I thought the idea was to take injury time and the subjectiveness out of time keeping, so not sure why the game went on to 73:08.

Maybe these are just day one mix ups, but thought I'd check.

On these, was Morgan not just inside the attacking half, well borderline.

The hooter blasted on 70mins did it not,there was a countdown in the crowd?

[Milltown Row2]

The keeper can pick up a loose ball, not a direct pass inside his own half which is up to the dotted line in the middle

[The Boy Wonder]

Paddy Tally is on the ball when he says that the attacking goalkeeper is killing the game by giving the attacking team a 12 v 11 advantage. Goalkeepers should be confined to their own small parallelogram.

In my opinion the 40m arc and 2-pointers are no addition to the game. The pattern of attacking play now revolves mainly around this arc and completely changes the nature of the game that we knew before the possession game took over.

Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness may have brought success to their counties with their tactics but their legacy is a bastardised game.

[Main Street]

These new rules are also a means by which the refs gain revenge and are gleefully serving it ice cold.
After a long referring life spent being abused and bullied by all and sundry, now the tables have been turned.

[tiempo]

Paddy Tally is on the ball when he says that the attacking goalkeeper is killing the game by giving the attacking team a 12 v 11 advantage. Goalkeepers should be confined to their own small parallelogram.

In my opinion the 40m arc and 2-pointers are no addition to the game. The pattern of attacking play now revolves mainly around this arc and completely changes the nature of the game that we knew before the possession game took over.

Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness may have brought success to their counties with their tactics but their legacy is a bastardised game.

How so?

[The Boy Wonder]

Mickey's football philosophy was to keep possession at all costs.
This robs the game the man to man duels, e.g. the tricky corner forward against the sticky corner back.

[Smokin Joe]

I've done a good few sessions on the new rules, but two things I didn't understand last night:

Niall Morgan recovered a bad pass in his own half, but both players were in the opposition half when the ball was played. No free was given so I assume this is allowed? I think for a second, Morgan was indicating to his team mates that he couldn't touch it, then saw there was no one close and lifted it. I could be wrong, but I think he expected a free against. I expected the whistle to go.

Second, David Coldrick stopped the clock/watch for subs, injuries and anything else needed. Why didn't the hooter go at 70mins? I thought the idea was to take injury time and the subjectiveness out of time keeping, so not sure why the game went on to 73:08.

Maybe these are just day one mix ups, but thought I'd check.

Yes, Morgan should have had a free against him as he collected a pass in his own half from a teammate; that was a miss by the ref.

[SaffronSports]

I've done a good few sessions on the new rules, but two things I didn't understand last night:

Niall Morgan recovered a bad pass in his own half, but both players were in the opposition half when the ball was played. No free was given so I assume this is allowed? I think for a second, Morgan was indicating to his team mates that he couldn't touch it, then saw there was no one close and lifted it. I could be wrong, but I think he expected a free against. I expected the whistle to go.

Second, David Coldrick stopped the clock/watch for subs, injuries and anything else needed. Why didn't the hooter go at 70mins? I thought the idea was to take injury time and the subjectiveness out of time keeping, so not sure why the game went on to 73:08.

Maybe these are just day one mix ups, but thought I'd check.

Yes, Morgan should have had a free against him as he collected a pass in his own half from a teammate; that was a miss by the ref.

Was Morgan definitely in his own half? The camera was somewhere between the 45 and 65 so it did pan right but it was the only thing I could think of as to why it wasn't a free

[Smokin Joe]

I've done a good few sessions on the new rules, but two things I didn't understand last night:

Niall Morgan recovered a bad pass in his own half, but both players were in the opposition half when the ball was played. No free was given so I assume this is allowed? I think for a second, Morgan was indicating to his team mates that he couldn't touch it, then saw there was no one close and lifted it. I could be wrong, but I think he expected a free against. I expected the whistle to go.

Second, David Coldrick stopped the clock/watch for subs, injuries and anything else needed. Why didn't the hooter go at 70mins? I thought the idea was to take injury time and the subjectiveness out of time keeping, so not sure why the game went on to 73:08.

Maybe these are just day one mix ups, but thought I'd check.

Yes, Morgan should have had a free against him as he collected a pass in his own half from a teammate; that was a miss by the ref.

Was Morgan definitely in his own half? The camera was somewhere between the 45 and 65 so it did pan right but it was the only thing I could think of as to why it wasn't a free

He was, he picked up the ball between the halfway line and his own 65. As the OP said Morgan knew he couldn't gather it, he was looking for a teammate to do so. But he had no option as one of the 3 Derry players up was next closest

[twohands!!!]

I wonder how long it is before the hurling side of the house start talking about adopting the rules on dissent.

It was a minor shock to see how much more general messing and pointless foolishness went on in the Galway Tipperary game compared to any of the football games.

It really highlighted how "harsh" punishments can immediately remove problem areas from the game.

I'll be gobsmacked if there isn't a hurling review committee in place by the end of the year.

[Milltown Row2]

Moving the ball in hurling 13 meters for dissent will generally lead to a score, obstructing a quick puck from a free will also move the ball 13 meters.. Maybe move it to 20 meters for sure? Also the extended advantage would be the one I feel would work better

[twohands!!!]

Moving the ball in hurling 13 meters for dissent will generally lead to a score, obstructing a quick puck from a free will also move the ball 13 meters.. Maybe move it to 20 meters for sure? Also the extended advantage would be the one I feel would work better

While that's true I think in hurling that teams are far more willing to foul in the opposition's half to slow things down - I'm nearly sure I heard someone talking about where Limerick concede the majority of fouls in the opposition half/outside of "easy" shooting range.

The other reason I think the hurling crowd will be looking for rule changes is how infrequently referees actually do apply these rules in game. The new FRC rules simply cut out the problem at source - instead of having a rule that has a soft punishment that players are willing to break, and that the referee needs to enforce and keep on top of constantly, simply have an adequate punishment (that some call harsh) and players will change their behaviour to remove the problematic behaviour from their game, so that the game flows better without the need for a ref to get involved at all.