Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[EoinW]

Re: the best in the world comment.

As a foreigner, I give the Irish credit.  You are the only ones playing hurling and Gaelic football yet it is an All Ireland championship.

Compare that to the Americans when it comes to baseball, basketball and the NFL.  Every championship is a WORLD championship.  Should we be surprised they have such a conceited president?  Insular DNA.  Fortunately the Irish don't share it.

[Milltown Row2]

Was the world baseball championship something different as to why it was called that?

[befair]

Think the "world" is due to the game being sponsored by a newspaper called the World, or something like that

[David McKeown]

Think the "world" is due to the game being sponsored by a newspaper called the World, or something like that

Yeah that was a story that went round for a while but it's been largely discredited

[EoinW]

Yes that's correct.  The New York World had nothing to do with creating a World Series.  Nice myth but a false one.

It was the first inter-league championship in 1884, between the National League and American Association pennant winners.  Being Americans they decided to hype it by calling it the championship of the world.  The Super Bowl, between the NFL and AFL was called a world championship too.

I mentioned this because - like hurling and Gaelic football only being played in Ireland - when the world Series and Super Bowl began no one was playing either sport outside of the USA!

Hockey is the one major sport in America not called a world championship.  That's due to Canadians running the NHL most of its history.  This seems to be an American trait.  Kind of explains their insanely aggressive foreign policy.

[onefineday]

A 4 point goal isn't just a mathematical issue though. It fundamentally undermines further the relative value of a point.

The more scores in a game the less impact each score makes.

By way of example. In the 2024 final a point amounted to between 7 and 8 % of a teams total score. So it was significant to score a point.

In the 2025 final a point amounted to between 3.5% and 5% of a teams total score.

If you increase goals to 4 points then you run the risk of there being little to no point (excuse the pun) of going for points. That's something that needs trialled for me

Agree and the maths there makes sense, but if we take the 2-pt from play attempt at being 40% or thereabouts, 1 Pt from play at being 70% and goal from play at about 10% (zero insights into what this even means or how it could be measured), but I guess I'm trying to reflect the difficulty of working a goal relative to a point, then the value of the goal has never been commensurate with point values in that it's worth 3x pts or 1.5 2pter when the likelihood is way below that - in other words the expected value of an attack aimed at working a goal is significantly less than either a one pointer or a 2 pointer.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that 2pters have skewed the value much further away from 1pters than any change in goal value is and an increase in goal value would be unlikely to further skew that significantly.  More trials would be ideal and this one really should not have been dropped after one trial last October.

Interestingly, it seems that at levels lower than the all Ireland championship, goals are on the up. Club results I'm seeing appear to have goal gluts everywhere and gone are the 0.6 to 0.5 scorelines we had become accustomed to. Of course these are mostly group games in good weather and maybe we'll see a change at the business end in October.

[David McKeown]

A 4 point goal isn't just a mathematical issue though. It fundamentally undermines further the relative value of a point.

The more scores in a game the less impact each score makes.

By way of example. In the 2024 final a point amounted to between 7 and 8 % of a teams total score. So it was significant to score a point.

In the 2025 final a point amounted to between 3.5% and 5% of a teams total score.

If you increase goals to 4 points then you run the risk of there being little to no point (excuse the pun) of going for points. That's something that needs trialled for me

Agree and the maths there makes sense, but if we take the 2-pt from play attempt at being 40% or thereabouts, 1 Pt from play at being 70% and goal from play at about 10% (zero insights into what this even means or how it could be measured), but I guess I'm trying to reflect the difficulty of working a goal relative to a point, then the value of the goal has never been commensurate with point values in that it's worth 3x pts or 1.5 2pter when the likelihood is way below that - in other words the expected value of an attack aimed at working a goal is significantly less than either a one pointer or a 2 pointer.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that 2pters have skewed the value much further away from 1pters than any change in goal value is and an increase in goal value would be unlikely to further skew that significantly.  More trials would be ideal and this one really should not have been dropped after one trial last October.

Interestingly, it seems that at levels lower than the all Ireland championship, goals are on the up. Club results I'm seeing appear to have goal gluts everywhere and gone are the 0.6 to 0.5 scorelines we had become accustomed to. Of course these are mostly group games in good weather and maybe we'll see a change at the business end in October.

See I'm not convinced how exactly a 4 point goal would impact the game. It could completely devalue the point or it could make little further difference as you've suggested. That's why I'd like to see it tried for a prolonged period.

As for goals at club level I think that a large part of that may be due to the new kick out rule. Losing your kick out particularly at that level can leave teams very open very quickly.

[Stickittotheman]

Have to admit I would be totally against the 4 points for a goal and not being allowed to pass backwards into your own half once passed the halfway line. I really hope these aren't implemented. I really liked the new rules this year, the game needed a shake up but this feels like overkill now.

[ONeill]

I sort of like the idea of not passing back, but only from frees or sideline balls.

[Wildweasel74]

I have a better idea, how about stop f**king about with the rules. Never seen a sport that brings in so many rules changes and championship formats. What other sport do u get it in.

[Captain Obvious]

I have a better idea, how about stop f**king about with the rules. Never seen a sport that brings in so many rules changes and champiobship formats. What other sport do u get it in.

Have been saying that on here long before this years load of rules and further tweaks was introduced.

[Truthsayer]

Thankfully the rules were changed...  and the game saved.

[thebigfullforward]

Thankfully the rules were changed...  and the game saved.

And now they want to change the rules yet again. Just leave them be for 5 minutes

[Truthsayer]

Thankfully the rules were changed...  and the game saved.

And now they want to change the rules yet again. Just leave them be for 5 minutes

Got a major overhaul after the way it was so abused for years.. just a few wee final tweaks will be ok 👍

[thebigfullforward]

Thankfully the rules were changed...  and the game saved.

And now they want to change the rules yet again. Just leave them be for 5 minutes

Got a major overhaul after the way it was so abused for years.. just a few wee final tweaks will be ok 👍

Yep. Can't wait for every team to be forced to play the same style of football. Will make it very entertaining