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Franko

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #900 on: November 23, 2022, 10:26:57 PM »
This is not a blow for the SNP

Sturgeon knew exactly how this was going to play out - any fool getting legal advice should've known that the devolved administrations can't just call a referendum and leave of their own accord - the decision was always going go be this way

Hence the UK Govt requested that the Supreme Court decline to rule on the matter at all

She asked the question to demonstrate exactly what someone said earlier - that the way things are is akin to a hostage situation

Except that nobody's really sure if the hostage wants to leave it's captor

They asked him a few years ago but Stockholm Syndrome meant that he didn't want to go.

But now they've cut him to one meal a day and gagged him so he can't be asked the question again

Today's ruling was a boost for the independence campaign
« Last Edit: November 23, 2022, 10:29:40 PM by Franko »

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #901 on: November 24, 2022, 09:04:01 AM »
This is not a blow for the SNP

Sturgeon knew exactly how this was going to play out - any fool getting legal advice should've known that the devolved administrations can't just call a referendum and leave of their own accord - the decision was always going go be this way

Hence the UK Govt requested that the Supreme Court decline to rule on the matter at all

She asked the question to demonstrate exactly what someone said earlier - that the way things are is akin to a hostage situation

Except that nobody's really sure if the hostage wants to leave it's captor

They asked him a few years ago but Stockholm Syndrome meant that he didn't want to go.

But now they've cut him to one meal a day and gagged him so he can't be asked the question again

Today's ruling was a boost for the independence campaign

Exactly this.

If the UKSC had ruled in favour of the SNP they'd have been like a dog chasing a car, and finally getting caught up with it, not knowing what to do. The SNP knew they needed another "wedge" issue and the UKSC have handed them one, the denial of democracy to the Scottish voter, so it will be interesting how the next GE goes north of the GB border.


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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #902 on: November 24, 2022, 03:05:52 PM »
This is not a blow for the SNP

Sturgeon knew exactly how this was going to play out - any fool getting legal advice should've known that the devolved administrations can't just call a referendum and leave of their own accord - the decision was always going go be this way

Hence the UK Govt requested that the Supreme Court decline to rule on the matter at all

She asked the question to demonstrate exactly what someone said earlier - that the way things are is akin to a hostage situation

Except that nobody's really sure if the hostage wants to leave it's captor

They asked him a few years ago but Stockholm Syndrome meant that he didn't want to go.

But now they've cut him to one meal a day and gagged him so he can't be asked the question again

Today's ruling was a boost for the independence campaign

Exactly this.

If the UKSC had ruled in favour of the SNP they'd have been like a dog chasing a car, and finally getting caught up with it, not knowing what to do. The SNP knew they needed another "wedge" issue and the UKSC have handed them one, the denial of democracy to the Scottish voter, so it will be interesting how the next GE goes north of the GB border.

Does it though? If the SNP pick up every single seat north of the border does it actually make them more powerful? The power ultimately resides with Westminster.

Franko

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #903 on: November 24, 2022, 05:53:38 PM »
This is not a blow for the SNP

Sturgeon knew exactly how this was going to play out - any fool getting legal advice should've known that the devolved administrations can't just call a referendum and leave of their own accord - the decision was always going go be this way

Hence the UK Govt requested that the Supreme Court decline to rule on the matter at all

She asked the question to demonstrate exactly what someone said earlier - that the way things are is akin to a hostage situation

Except that nobody's really sure if the hostage wants to leave it's captor

They asked him a few years ago but Stockholm Syndrome meant that he didn't want to go.

But now they've cut him to one meal a day and gagged him so he can't be asked the question again

Today's ruling was a boost for the independence campaign

Exactly this.

If the UKSC had ruled in favour of the SNP they'd have been like a dog chasing a car, and finally getting caught up with it, not knowing what to do. The SNP knew they needed another "wedge" issue and the UKSC have handed them one, the denial of democracy to the Scottish voter, so it will be interesting how the next GE goes north of the GB border.

Does it though? If the SNP pick up every single seat north of the border does it actually make them more powerful? The power ultimately resides with Westminster.

It definitely does

But Sturgeon's strategy here is to present a case that the Scots want away, but London won't let them

She wants to destroy the whole 'voluntary union of equals' nonsense

The SNP (hypothetically) winning every seat in Scotland on an independence manifesto would a clear demonstration of this and would make it very difficult politically for Westminster to deny a referendum

There nothing that makes you want to do something more than some superior cnut telling you that you can't

johnnycool

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #904 on: November 24, 2022, 06:55:49 PM »
This is not a blow for the SNP

Sturgeon knew exactly how this was going to play out - any fool getting legal advice should've known that the devolved administrations can't just call a referendum and leave of their own accord - the decision was always going go be this way

Hence the UK Govt requested that the Supreme Court decline to rule on the matter at all

She asked the question to demonstrate exactly what someone said earlier - that the way things are is akin to a hostage situation

Except that nobody's really sure if the hostage wants to leave it's captor

They asked him a few years ago but Stockholm Syndrome meant that he didn't want to go.

But now they've cut him to one meal a day and gagged him so he can't be asked the question again

Today's ruling was a boost for the independence campaign

Exactly this.

If the UKSC had ruled in favour of the SNP they'd have been like a dog chasing a car, and finally getting caught up with it, not knowing what to do. The SNP knew they needed another "wedge" issue and the UKSC have handed them one, the denial of democracy to the Scottish voter, so it will be interesting how the next GE goes north of the GB border.

Does it though? If the SNP pick up every single seat north of the border does it actually make them more powerful? The power ultimately resides with Westminster.

It definitely does

But Sturgeon's strategy here is to present a case that the Scots want away, but London won't let them

She wants to destroy the whole 'voluntary union of equals' nonsense

The SNP (hypothetically) winning every seat in Scotland on an independence manifesto would a clear demonstration of this and would make it very difficult politically for Westminster to deny a referendum

There nothing that makes you want to do something more than some superior cnut telling you that you can't

Especially in a Rees Mogg accent..


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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #905 on: November 25, 2022, 10:12:46 AM »
The scots wont do anything but moan online

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #906 on: November 25, 2022, 10:25:48 AM »
The scots wont do anything but moan online
seemed to be a right few on the streets the other day.