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If you have/had a vote, how will/would you vote?

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Voting closed: September 18, 2014, 11:36:16 AM

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #585 on: March 25, 2020, 11:17:42 AM »
Yeiks .. this explains it very well ... Feckin hell  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfbfldSrJ-0

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-braces-itself-fallout-after-21742371.amp

You wouldn't take anything the Daily Record says seriously, especially after one of their succulent lamb sports journalists proudly proclaimed that a Motherwell born billionaire with wealth beyond the radar was going take over Rangers (1872) and fund a player recruitment drive to launch an assault on the Champions League which will leave Celtic trailing in their wake.

Tabloid rubbish at its best

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« Reply #586 on: March 25, 2020, 06:25:26 PM »
Yeiks .. this explains it very well ... Feckin hell  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfbfldSrJ-0

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-braces-itself-fallout-after-21742371.amp

You wouldn't take anything the Daily Record says seriously, especially after one of their succulent lamb sports journalists proudly proclaimed that a Motherwell born billionaire with wealth beyond the radar was going take over Rangers (1872) and fund a player recruitment drive to launch an assault on the Champions League which will leave Celtic trailing in their wake.

Tabloid rubbish at its best
Tabloid political correspondents are usually on the ball
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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #588 on: March 25, 2020, 09:30:35 PM »
Yeiks .. this explains it very well ... Feckin hell  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfbfldSrJ-0

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-braces-itself-fallout-after-21742371.amp

You wouldn't take anything the Daily Record says seriously, especially after one of their succulent lamb sports journalists proudly proclaimed that a Motherwell born billionaire with wealth beyond the radar was going take over Rangers (1872) and fund a player recruitment drive to launch an assault on the Champions League which will leave Celtic trailing in their wake.

Tabloid rubbish at its best
Tabloid political correspondents are usually on the ball
That article from that tabloid political correspondent is very poor. Regardless of the Record's disreputable tabloid status, Salmond did indicate post verdict that there would be a civil war of sorts. Considering his age, his portly heart attack imminent demeanor, the evidence from 9 women (the court's verdict notwithstanding), I would have thought his political career is toast. Sturgeon has impressed as SNP party leader. Though I haven't a clue about the SNP's potential to self destruct with the party at an all time high.

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #589 on: March 27, 2020, 03:59:30 PM »
3rd attempt

https://www.ft.com/content/0cafd93c-6d2a-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

Pressure from Salmond supporters will not be the only post-trial problem for Ms Sturgeon. Opposition parties are pushing for a full accounting of what the current first minister knew about allegations of misconduct against her predecessor and when she knew it.  The trial also raises questions for the civil service. Three male senior civil servants called as witnesses told the court that after the 2013 incident at Bute House, arrangements were changed to prevent female staff from being alone with the first minister, particularly in the evenings.  And Alex Bell, a former policy adviser to Mr Salmond, told the court that three years earlier there had been concerns then about him being alone with female colleagues.  The full political ramifications of Mr Salmond’s acquittal are likely to be delayed by the UK’s developing coronavirus crisis, however. The former first minister said he would not immediately share the information on the case because of the epidemic, telling journalists gathered at the court that it was not safe to be there and they should “go home”.  Opposition parties will also be cautious about focusing too much on the issue before coronavirus is tamed. Last week, Jackson Carlaw, leader of the Scottish Conservatives, gave Ms Sturgeon a fulsome endorsement, saying he had “every confidence in her to lead the country’s response to this crisis at this time”.  On Monday, Mr Carlaw said the “serious questions” Ms Sturgeon and the SNP faced would be deferred. “The court case may be over, but for them this is just the beginning,” he said.
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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #590 on: March 29, 2020, 08:27:17 PM »
Salmond is smoked

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-52078493
Alex Salmond's accusers 'devastated' by court verdict

The women who made sexual assault allegations against Alex Salmond say they have been left "devastated" after he was cleared in court. A jury found the former first minister not guilty on 12 of the sexual assault charges facing him, while another was found not proven. A further charge of sexually assaulting a 10th woman had previously been dropped by prosecutors.
Mr Salmond maintained he was innocent throughout the two-week trial.
A legal representative of Mr Salmond has been contacted by the BBC but declined to comment on the women's statement.
The nine women insisted they would not let the former SNP leader being acquitted define them.
And they said that while the experience of taking the case to court had been "traumatic", it had been the "right thing to do".

They recalled that Mr Salmond's lawyer, Gordon Jackson QC, had quoted Woman H and said his client "should have been a better man". In her evidence to the court, Woman H had said: "I wish for my life the first minister was a better man and I was not here."

"Many of us did speak up at the time of our incidents but were faced with procedures that could not deal with complaints against such a powerful figure. Others were silenced by fear of repercussions.


Their full statement pulls no punches

“Some say that women’s fight for respect has gone ‘too far’. We argue it has far to go,” they added.

“For too long, behaviour which should be condemned has been accepted and excused. For too long perpetrators in positions of power have been shielded by their ability to influence and intimidate.  

“For too long women’s complaints have been dismissed or swept under the carpet.  And for too long, women have been let down by organisational structures which should exist to protect them, not put them in situations which endanger their welfare.

“This must end.”
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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #591 on: July 05, 2020, 02:50:14 AM »
Panel base survey shows indy vote up 5% to 54% because of Covid and the bungling by London of same. This is the highest this poll has been.
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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #592 on: July 05, 2020, 10:10:16 AM »
Chlorinated chicken would probably be the end of the Union. Brexit only works as a fantasy.
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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #593 on: July 05, 2020, 12:35:37 PM »
SNP must be seriously tempted to quarantine the English because of Covid.

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #594 on: July 05, 2020, 12:58:28 PM »
Are they not talking about quarantining from other parts of the uk?

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #595 on: July 05, 2020, 01:11:58 PM »
They are - from England especially now with pubs open, drink flowing etc.
Looking at the bigger picture what are the Scottish Government's options to achieve independence?
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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #596 on: July 05, 2020, 01:52:51 PM »
The Scots won’t be duped at the next referendum.

They’ve seen how the country can be run from Edinburgh during this pandemic, rather than by Worzel Gummidge in London.

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #597 on: July 05, 2020, 02:21:17 PM »
The Scot's problem is that any IndyRef is only possible at the gift of Westminster ... the likelihood that a second referendum would result in a majority for Independence, means that it is far less likely to be 'granted' to Scotland.  Short of landing a million+ Scots at the gates of Westminster, I can't see what would prompt an English parliament to give a second referendum.

The Pandemic has again magnified the stupidity of the Union, not just for the Scots, but for the north as well.  The sooner the 'precious' Union is no more, the better for all concerned, including the English.

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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #598 on: July 06, 2020, 08:56:27 AM »
The Scot's problem is that any IndyRef is only possible at the gift of Westminster ... the likelihood that a second referendum would result in a majority for Independence, means that it is far less likely to be 'granted' to Scotland.  Short of landing a million+ Scots at the gates of Westminster, I can't see what would prompt an English parliament to give a second referendum.

The Pandemic has again magnified the stupidity of the Union, not just for the Scots, but for the north as well.  The sooner the 'precious' Union is no more, the better for all concerned, including the English.

Westminster and the two parties likely to be in government could not care less about Scotland. The SNP presently have 47 MPs, Scottish Tories have 6, Labour have 1. Neither of the big two would lose much by Scotland being jettisoned and in fact would gain. Anyway, if the polls keeping going this way they might not have much choice.
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Re: Scottish independence referendum thread
« Reply #599 on: July 06, 2020, 11:29:57 AM »
When they go to actually mark an 'X' on the ballot paper their b*lls drop off.