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« Reply #33735 on: October 17, 2020, 06:42:09 PM »
Congratulations to Paddy Tally, who, unless the GAA change the rules, has got us into the top tier championship as well as promotion to D2. Even if we lose to Louth, we will finish on nine points. Longford, Derry and Offaly can all match that total, but we have already beaten each of them and therefore have to finish in front through the head to head results.

It's quite an achievement, as we had to come from behind late on to draw with Tipperary and beat Longford. In the crucial game against Derry, we were a man down and two behind with ten minutes left. Tally reorganised and we got four of the last five points to edge it. It all means that, even if the championship never happens, we have achieved our main target this season.

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« Reply #33736 on: October 17, 2020, 06:43:14 PM »
McAleenan away from Warrenpoint and Rostrevor making changes to their management too. Disappointing there was no game today but the two points puts us closer to promotion - hopefully score difference doesnít come into in in the long run.

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« Reply #33737 on: October 17, 2020, 07:19:58 PM »
Congratulations to Paddy Tally, who, unless the GAA change the rules, has got us into the top tier championship as well as promotion to D2. Even if we lose to Louth, we will finish on nine points. Longford, Derry and Offaly can all match that total, but we have already beaten each of them and therefore have to finish in front through the head to head results.

It's quite an achievement, as we had to come from behind late on to draw with Tipperary and beat Longford. In the crucial game against Derry, we were a man down and two behind with ten minutes left. Tally reorganised and we got four of the last five points to edge it. It all means that, even if the championship never happens, we have achieved our main target this season.
I'm pretty sure the rule has always been if 3 or more team level on points it goes to score difference. So Down aren't out of the water yet although I thought there would be some sort of walkover bonus you get on your score difference like a +5 to your points scored

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« Reply #33738 on: October 17, 2020, 07:21:24 PM »
Congratulations to Paddy Tally, who, unless the GAA change the rules, has got us into the top tier championship as well as promotion to D2. Even if we lose to Louth, we will finish on nine points. Longford, Derry and Offaly can all match that total, but we have already beaten each of them and therefore have to finish in front through the head to head results.

It's quite an achievement, as we had to come from behind late on to draw with Tipperary and beat Longford. In the crucial game against Derry, we were a man down and two behind with ten minutes left. Tally reorganised and we got four of the last five points to edge it. It all means that, even if the championship never happens, we have achieved our main target this season.
if more than two teams are level on points it goes to scoring difference, down need a draw against louth to be certain of promotion.
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« Reply #33739 on: October 17, 2020, 08:24:43 PM »
Yes, while it would require Longford to beat Cork, it is possible if Down lose that we will be in a 3 way tie with them and Derry or Offaly.
Cork are up and have nothing to play for so we should go to Drogheda seeking a win or at least avoid defeat

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« Reply #33740 on: October 17, 2020, 08:30:39 PM »
The last three posters are obviously correct, as there is still an outside chance that three teams could finish on nine points each with promotion decided on scoring difference. However, as Nanderson highlighted, Down were awarded a win today which left our scoring average unchanged, which cannot be fair. If some combination of Down, Derry, Longford and Offaly somehow finished level, there would be a strong case for the GAA reverting to head to head results, which would confirm our promotion. Offaly play Derry in the last round of fixtures, so only one of them can reach nine points. It is possible that Longford might beat Cork, who are already promoted, but Down really should resolve the debate by winning at Louth, who have been relegated after losing six out of six. While I celebrated prematurely, only a bizarre sequence of results or the abandonment of the last round of games can prevent us going up.

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« Reply #33741 on: October 17, 2020, 08:38:53 PM »
Gaa confirm that if 3 or more teams are on level points at the end of division 3 the results against leitrim won't be counted and only scoring difference against the other 6 teams will count.
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« Reply #33742 on: October 17, 2020, 08:48:13 PM »
This is the relevant section from the GAA's official guide -

(d) In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walk over, the tie shall be
decided by the following means:
 (i) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other. (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For)
 (ii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved, have played each other, and have finished equal in (i)
 (iii) A Play-Off

This effectively indicates that D3 promotion this season has to be decided on head to head results in the event of any group of teams finishing level on points in second place, and strongly suggests we are already up. However, avoiding defeat in Drogheda makes the discussion academic.



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« Reply #33743 on: October 17, 2020, 09:49:06 PM »
McAleenan away from Warrenpoint and Rostrevor making changes to their management too. Disappointing there was no game today but the two points puts us closer to promotion - hopefully score difference doesnít come into in in the long run.

What changes are these?

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« Reply #33744 on: October 18, 2020, 05:17:34 PM »
Offaly's defeat today means it is technically possible for Down, Derry and Longford to all finish level on nine points. If it is a two way tie, it is decided on the head to head result, meaning Down go through. A triple tie would involve using the aggregate scores from the previous matches between the three teams, and would leave Derry ahead. It is more than a little confusing, but a Down win in Louth ends all arguments.

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« Reply #33745 on: October 18, 2020, 05:50:52 PM »
Just go and beat Louth ffs. If you can't do that you don't deserve to be in Div2!

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« Reply #33746 on: October 18, 2020, 10:20:04 PM »
Congrats to Down Hurlers on winning promotion from NHL 2B today

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« Reply #33747 on: October 19, 2020, 08:36:05 AM »
Congrats to Down Hurlers on winning promotion from NHL 2B today

First time in a while they've managed to get one over on Derry at this level, so all good for competing against the likes of Offaly and Kerry next year.

A big step up but it's time the hurlers pushed on.

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« Reply #33748 on: October 19, 2020, 09:07:05 AM »
Congrats to Down Hurlers on winning promotion from NHL 2B today

First time in a while they've managed to get one over on Derry at this level, so all good for competing against the likes of Offaly and Kerry next year.

A big step up but it's time the hurlers pushed on.

Agree JC , Great achievement, especially as Down havenít had much underage success recently compared to other times. Interesting to see many of the names on the teamsheet match names of the golden era of the 90s, offspring coming through well. Great to see the success of liatroim and bredagh at underage being translated into county senior team. Do you think this yearís SFC timing and structure  Translated into us having a competitive edge on Derry?

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« Reply #33749 on: October 19, 2020, 11:22:27 AM »
Congrats to Down Hurlers on winning promotion from NHL 2B today

First time in a while they've managed to get one over on Derry at this level, so all good for competing against the likes of Offaly and Kerry next year.

A big step up but it's time the hurlers pushed on.

Agree JC , Great achievement, especially as Down havenít had much underage success recently compared to other times. Interesting to see many of the names on the teamsheet match names of the golden era of the 90s, offspring coming through well. Great to see the success of liatroim and bredagh at underage being translated into county senior team. Do you think this yearís SFC timing and structure  Translated into us having a competitive edge on Derry?

SHC you mean?

There's probably something in that as the three Ards clubs and Bredagh were coming of the back of 6 plus competitive games so match sharpness was there, but then again the two Liatroim lads in McCrickard and McManus got SFA competitive hurling in the lead up which isn't good for them either.
One Portaferry lad was drafted straight onto the starting 15 after his championship performances as it should be. A few Bredagh lads also had the chance to show their worth in the club championships and two started with more on the panel.

I think the Derry SHC was straight knockout so that means some of those lads would have only got one or two games, three at a push to the final for S'Neil and Lynches.