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« Reply #32550 on: November 07, 2019, 10:34:07 AM »
Someone just get Yewtree a taxi for one!!! Not speaking on behalf of Burren and I think more interested in bringing bad press to Burren. More likely to be CPN.
Our U16 team are exceptional but alot of work and cohesion required to get them through to senior, we've seen alot of so called future stars disappear, but hopefully this group can be brought through and build a unit that can bring consistency at senior level.
As for Ballykinlar, it's probably the cheapest option so can see why CB went for it but its a bollox of a run but if lads want to play county football then they'll make the effort, if they don't fancy it, then it won't matter where the training ground is.

Forevergreen, am I right in saying Burren had 2 teams entered the league at U16 level this year? That must introduce a whole other set of problems. Assume the same will be the case for the U17s next year? It would be difficult keeping them circa 50 lads through to U19s let alone seniors!

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« Reply #32551 on: November 07, 2019, 11:48:48 AM »
Someone just get Yewtree a taxi for one!!! Not speaking on behalf of Burren and I think more interested in bringing bad press to Burren. More likely to be CPN.
Our U16 team are exceptional but alot of work and cohesion required to get them through to senior, we've seen alot of so called future stars disappear, but hopefully this group can be brought through and build a unit that can bring consistency at senior level.
As for Ballykinlar, it's probably the cheapest option so can see why CB went for it but its a bollox of a run but if lads want to play county football then they'll make the effort, if they don't fancy it, then it won't matter where the training ground is.
I think you will find he's a Burren man, nothing to do with the point, read all his posts

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« Reply #32552 on: November 07, 2019, 01:10:28 PM »
Likely to be from neither, he gets the reaction on here that he sets out to do.

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« Reply #32553 on: November 07, 2019, 01:18:12 PM »
Steven Poacher to be the next Bryansford manager!!

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« Reply #32554 on: November 07, 2019, 01:55:24 PM »
Steven Poacher to be the next Bryansford manager!!
Sweet Jes-s.Is there no end to the lunacy of Clubs to engage a clown like him?

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« Reply #32555 on: November 07, 2019, 04:03:08 PM »
Steven Poacher to be the next Bryansford manager!!
Sweet Jes-s.Is there no end to the lunacy of Clubs to engage a clown like him?
I guess next years East Down derby Bryansford v Loughinisland will be an interesting defensive game 

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« Reply #32556 on: November 07, 2019, 08:35:42 PM »
Someone just get Yewtree a taxi for one!!! Not speaking on behalf of Burren and I think more interested in bringing bad press to Burren. More likely to be CPN.
Our U16 team are exceptional but alot of work and cohesion required to get them through to senior, we've seen alot of so called future stars disappear, but hopefully this group can be brought through and build a unit that can bring consistency at senior level.
As for Ballykinlar, it's probably the cheapest option so can see why CB went for it but its a bollox of a run but if lads want to play county football then they'll make the effort, if they don't fancy it, then it won't matter where the training ground is.

Forevergreen, am I right in saying Burren had 2 teams entered the league at U16 level this year? That must introduce a whole other set of problems. Assume the same will be the case for the U17s next year? It would be difficult keeping them circa 50 lads through to U19s let alone seniors!

Yes 2 teams in the League. Serious commitment and great work from a big management team to be able to work with them all. But definitely will require same again at u17s and then to try and integrate them moving forward into senior. But with drop offs and travelling etc it should give them greater numbers to pull from than they would ordinarily get in smaller playing groups.
Getting them to achieve success at senior level is the ultimate aim but they seem to be a very good group of lads in general.

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« Reply #32557 on: November 08, 2019, 10:00:01 AM »
Reading horror stories of the u19 league in Monaghan and how it fell on its arse last year due to constraints with senior team. I think we have been sold a dud here and it seems clubs in Ulster are voting against it now. There was 8 teams in the ACMFL in 2019 and I would say at a push that only Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Carryduff and Kilcoo would definitely be able to partake in an u19 league in 2020. I hope clubs can push something true at convention to leave age grades as it is, there is no paper or framework out on this yet so I think it should be stopped. 2 years to get ready for this changeover and nothing in print yet! And we complain about brexit! Does anyone involved in club committees or county board level know whatís going on with this?
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« Reply #32558 on: November 08, 2019, 10:08:35 AM »
Reading horror stories of the u19 league in Monaghan and how it fell on its arse last year due to constraints with senior team. I think we have been sold a dud here and it seems clubs in Ulster are voting against it now. There was 8 teams in the ACMFL in 2019 and I would say at a push that only Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Carryduff and Kilcoo would definitely be able to partake in an u19 league in 2020. I hope clubs can push something true at convention to leave age grades as it is, there is no paper or framework out on this yet so I think it should be stopped. 2 years to get ready for this changeover and nothing it print yet! And we complain about brexit! Does anyone involved in club committees or county board level know whatís going on with this?


Devilís advocate.

Why do we need an under 19 league?

Why canít 18 year olds play B football until theyíre ready for the step up, instead of being pulled in two directions?

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« Reply #32559 on: November 08, 2019, 10:16:09 AM »
Did Monaghan and Down get money for this trial a few years ago or was a dreaming that. I am genuinely worried about this and we are peddling with our future players here. I feel sorry for the young lads who will have to post two years at their youngest age. Where is the development there? I would imagine that clubs are in the process of reviewing 2019 and getting into position to get ready for 2020, but clubs are in limbo here or maybe I am wrong? Does anyone know wtf is going on?
How many clubs are concerned of the changeover?

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« Reply #32560 on: November 08, 2019, 10:28:36 AM »
Reading horror stories of the u19 league in Monaghan and how it fell on its arse last year due to constraints with senior team. I think we have been sold a dud here and it seems clubs in Ulster are voting against it now. There was 8 teams in the ACMFL in 2019 and I would say at a push that only Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Carryduff and Kilcoo would definitely be able to partake in an u19 league in 2020. I hope clubs can push something true at convention to leave age grades as it is, there is no paper or framework out on this yet so I think it should be stopped. 2 years to get ready for this changeover and nothing it print yet! And we complain about brexit! Does anyone involved in club committees or county board level know whatís going on with this?


Devilís advocate.

Why do we need an under 19 league?

Why canít 18 year olds play B football until theyíre ready for the step up, instead of being pulled in two directions?

That would be my thinking on it and I know the hurling clubs in the county are thinking like that. There's a lot of demands at that age, sporting wise and socially too.

Put some effort back into making reserve football a step towards playing senior. Personally I've never thought that playing against your own age group really prepares you for playing adult football but different people/clubs will look differently at that.

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« Reply #32561 on: November 08, 2019, 10:39:09 AM »
Reading horror stories of the u19 league in Monaghan and how it fell on its arse last year due to constraints with senior team. I think we have been sold a dud here and it seems clubs in Ulster are voting against it now. There was 8 teams in the ACMFL in 2019 and I would say at a push that only Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Carryduff and Kilcoo would definitely be able to partake in an u19 league in 2020. I hope clubs can push something true at convention to leave age grades as it is, there is no paper or framework out on this yet so I think it should be stopped. 2 years to get ready for this changeover and nothing it print yet! And we complain about brexit! Does anyone involved in club committees or county board level know whatís going on with this?


Devilís advocate.

Why do we need an under 19 league?

Why canít 18 year olds play B football until theyíre ready for the step up, instead of being pulled in two directions?

That would be my thinking on it and I know the hurling clubs in the county are thinking like that. There's a lot of demands at that age, sporting wise and socially too.

Put some effort back into making reserve football a step towards playing senior. Personally I've never thought that playing against your own age group really prepares you for playing adult football but different people/clubs will look differently at that.

any lad in our club who turns 18, ie is no longer U17 will automatically play adult hurling, that's just the way it is as we've poor numbers for a year or two.
No big change in that regard for us, but there's no denying that there's a drop off on lads coming out of the juvenile ranks not playing adult hurling and this new format expedites that by a year...


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« Reply #32562 on: November 08, 2019, 10:52:03 AM »
A simple change would have been moving minor football to a Saturday  evening and reserves to a Tuesday evening. Seniors train Monday and Wednesday so it wonít affect numbers at training. Saturday evening for minor football would also mean there would be no need for an exam break. I have yet to hear of a good argument for the changeover and I am fearful we are going to be the only one of the few screwed over by this. Our participation in reserve league football needs to be looked at. 20 odd years ago when I was playing football there was over ten clubs in Down with 3 teams, now clubs are struggling to field a seconds team. We are doing something wrong and I think this will make it worse.

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« Reply #32563 on: November 08, 2019, 01:47:18 PM »
Reading horror stories of the u19 league in Monaghan and how it fell on its arse last year due to constraints with senior team. I think we have been sold a dud here and it seems clubs in Ulster are voting against it now. There was 8 teams in the ACMFL in 2019 and I would say at a push that only Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Carryduff and Kilcoo would definitely be able to partake in an u19 league in 2020. I hope clubs can push something true at convention to leave age grades as it is, there is no paper or framework out on this yet so I think it should be stopped. 2 years to get ready for this changeover and nothing it print yet! And we complain about brexit! Does anyone involved in club committees or county board level know whatís going on with this?


Devilís advocate.

Why do we need an under 19 league?

Why canít 18 year olds play B football until theyíre ready for the step up, instead of being pulled in two directions?

That would be my thinking on it and I know the hurling clubs in the county are thinking like that. There's a lot of demands at that age, sporting wise and socially too.

Put some effort back into making reserve football a step towards playing senior. Personally I've never thought that playing against your own age group really prepares you for playing adult football but different people/clubs will look differently at that.

any lad in our club who turns 18, ie is no longer U17 will automatically play adult hurling, that's just the way it is as we've poor numbers for a year or two.
No big change in that regard for us, but there's no denying that there's a drop off on lads coming out of the juvenile ranks not playing adult hurling and this new format expedites that by a year...

I know what you're saying, there's a danger that after finishing at u17 there'll be a perceived jump into the senior squad, whereas at the minute they're at least crossing over between minors/reserves/seniors at a point, be it only for that last season.

On the other end of the spectrum, I actually think the U7, U9 and U11 groupings might work better for development because the ages grouped together at that point works well running along side the primary school classes.

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« Reply #32564 on: November 08, 2019, 05:33:51 PM »
Downjim the current football nights (canít speak for hurling) make a lot of sense. More sense than your proposal.

Move minors (u18s) to a Saturday and you run into conflicts everywhere:

- senior football Friday night, so back-to-back games for better players, and even for weaker players at weaker clubs.

- schools football matches and training on Saturdays.

- Down juvenile training and matches on Saturdays.

- afaik hurling matches on Saturdays and Sundays.

Plus part time work.

I donít think youíve really thought this big idea through tbh.

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Re dropout rates. I donít really see how u18 to u17 will make any difference. Better players and interested players will be training with their senior team in their u18 year regardless. It now becomes a formalised thing surely in most clubs; step up and train with the adults once you leave u17. Those that donít have the interest at 17 are not often going to get the taste as a result of one more juvenile season.

If anything it could see a larger group of players getting exposure to the positives of adult training while still living with their mammies and daddies, and by the time they head to uni, it should be a part of their routine.

Obviously these lads need football matches. But with reserves now positioned on a Saturday evening, those who arenít getting football elsewhere have a pretty plum slot in the week.

Clubs should really throw their weight into strong seconds football rather than u19s imho.

Itís not that long ago that reserve football was littered with 15 and 16 year olds. Asking a 17 year old to ďman upĒ to this level is hardly a daunting proposition.