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« Reply #26175 on: March 29, 2016, 11:26:14 AM »
I think it is time for an open county board meeting with each club providing three delegates and only one item on the clar , the election of an independent review body made up of ex county players  and down people who have a proven business background.
This meeting would be after club meetings who then could come to the county meeting with specific points to be discussed.
If we don't meet and look to restructure  the county executive and all that is bad within Down football we can look forward to a depressing future.
No other county in   Ireland is in the position we are in and if they were , change would not be long happening.
All very well saying this but in our Club the only people who get to go to any County Board meetings are the elder statesmen
who see it as some sort of reward for long service and we here wouldn't get them to bring any such ideas to there.

Hope you can convince your Club to do so but I wouldn't bank on it.Normal (abnormal really) will continue until we are really in the gutter.We're only on the kerb at the minute and I suppose
only a step away from where we need to be for anything to be done.

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« Reply #26176 on: March 29, 2016, 01:12:17 PM »
As much as I hate to say it would some kind of supporter stance highlight the feeling to the county board. Do the supporters club have any say or sway. Maybe pulling membership of club Down etc and non attendance at county games. Would that get a message across.
As most point out here we won't see change until the county board gets an overhaul. Depressing times. Have we ever lost so many games in a row regardless of division.

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« Reply #26177 on: March 30, 2016, 11:02:52 AM »
The secondary schools in Down need to take a hard long look at themselves regarding GAA being done in schools
The abbey train as little as they can possibly get away with.Havent looked like competing in mccory level for about 7 years
St Marks don't even train anymore(imagine that team that got beat in the final actually trained)
St Colmans again the tradition they have should be doing better.They used to be the big hitters of school football not anymore
St Joseph's are working with a limited bunch but we should be producing 1-2 players out if this school every few years but we are not.
St Louis has produced nothing really since the team that clarke played in
St Malachys are now run by a rugby man and haven't really been competing like they once did when PJ Magee was head of PE
St Columbans are not producing to the standard that they were years ago when they won an all Ireland but what I will give poacher credit for he certainly puts the work in on the training ground and he puts it all into the GAA
We have lost some great PE teachers over the last 10 years
PJ MAGEE
BARNEY MCALEENAN
TOM CUNNINGHAM
VAL KANE
PETE MCGRATH
RAY MORGAN
SEAN MULHOLLAND
GERARD HUGHES
All massive GAA fanatics and I'm afraid to say bar poacher the rest are not putting in the work

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« Reply #26178 on: March 30, 2016, 11:35:41 AM »
The secondary schools in Down need to take a hard long look at themselves regarding GAA being done in schools
The abbey train as little as they can possibly get away with.Havent looked like competing in mccory level for about 7 years
St Marks don't even train anymore(imagine that team that got beat in the final actually trained)
St Colmans again the tradition they have should be doing better.They used to be the big hitters of school football not anymore
St Joseph's are working with a limited bunch but we should be producing 1-2 players out if this school every few years but we are not.
St Louis has produced nothing really since the team that clarke played in
St Malachys are now run by a rugby man and haven't really been competing like they once did when PJ Magee was head of PE
St Columbans are not producing to the standard that they were years ago when they won an all Ireland but what I will give poacher credit for he

St Colmans won a double all-ireland in 2010/11 that's only a few years ago. There are lads still at the school who attended those matches. So hardly a long fall from grace. This year they went to the McCrory quarter finals and let themselves down as they let it slip against a Lurgan side they were better than, who were then easily beaten by St Pauls (another local school with a Burren corner forward)

As you said St Marks have just finished runners up in an All-Ireland final by a single point

As for the headline cup - MacRory, many of the teams above compete in that tournament so they can't all be winning and reaching finals at the same time. But in the last five years the winners have been 3 Derry, 1 Cavan, 1 Fermanagh. Since 2006 - 3 Tyrone, 3 Derry, 3 Newry, 1 Cavan, 1 Fermanagh. (I say Newry because it is a mix of Down/Armagh)

These numbers aren't that bad. Even St Pat's Maghera went ten years without even reaching a final before their recent run of 3 wins in 4 years.

At a lower level St Colmans got to the Rannfest cup final in 2013.

It's not a huge roll of honour but a few fallow years is hardly a famine!

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« Reply #26179 on: March 30, 2016, 11:51:07 AM »
Take Mooney out of them teams and they Woukd not have won.Yes they had players on them teams that are now good players but back then mooney won it for them
St Marks got to the final without training so I think the clubs should take credit for that.
St Colmans and the Abbey should at least be getting to the finals of this competition year in year out
Let's be honest it's not an overly hard competition to win
Pre Christmas 2 teams out of 12 get eliminated and then you are straight into a quarter final after Christmas.So basically play 3 good games you win it
Our underage structures in Down are pathetic

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« Reply #26180 on: March 30, 2016, 12:33:33 PM »
Take Mooney out of them teams and they Woukd not have won.Yes they had players on them teams that are now good players but back then mooney won it for them
St Marks got to the final without training so I think the clubs should take credit for that.
St Colmans and the Abbey should at least be getting to the finals of this competition year in year out
Let's be honest it's not an overly hard competition to win
Pre Christmas 2 teams out of 12 get eliminated and then you are straight into a quarter final after Christmas.So basically play 3 good games you win it
Our underage structures in Down are pathetic

Possibly one of the most ridiculous statements ever made.
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« Reply #26181 on: March 30, 2016, 01:08:21 PM »
As much as I hate to say it would some kind of supporter stance highlight the feeling to the county board. Do the supporters club have any say or sway. Maybe pulling membership of club Down etc and non attendance at county games. Would that get a message across.
As most point out here we won't see change until the county board gets an overhaul. Depressing times. Have we ever lost so many games in a row regardless of division.
  At least you can swap over to the Dubs as you're down that direction. Heaven help any young person being able to look forward to anything good happening around Down football.There'll hardly be a sellout on tickets for the supporter's bus(es) at the weekend.
I couldn't do that.

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« Reply #26182 on: March 30, 2016, 01:17:41 PM »
Take Mooney out of them teams and they Woukd not have won.Yes they had players on them teams that are now good players but back then mooney won it for them
St Marks got to the final without training so I think the clubs should take credit for that.
St Colmans and the Abbey should at least be getting to the finals of this competition year in year out
Let's be honest it's not an overly hard competition to win
Pre Christmas 2 teams out of 12 get eliminated and then you are straight into a quarter final after Christmas.So basically play 3 good games you win it
Our underage structures in Down are pathetic


Possibly one of the most ridiculous statements ever made.

Its a notoriously difficult competition to win. My God it can be a minefield as st colmans discovered this year.
And yes Mooney was exceptional for st colmans in their back to back but 1 man doesn't win all irelands. The johnsons etc were  just as influential. A statement like that is nuts it's like sayin they wouldn't have won in the late 80's without wee James for god sake. Yes 1 man can make a difference but he can't do it on his own. I don't remeber Southampton winning much with Le tissier in the  team.

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« Reply #26183 on: March 30, 2016, 01:27:03 PM »
I don't think the johnstones were as influential as mooney.Take Mooney out of the side and no they would not have won the Hogan
What's so hard with winning 3 games?
Give Poacher the managerial reigns at either St Colmans or Abbey and they would win a hogan within 4 years
That's the difference

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« Reply #26184 on: March 30, 2016, 01:38:16 PM »
Catch a grip with yourself. Money fluted in and out of games in both the Hogan teams. Leaders like mc Parland ,Gough the livelys the johnsons were steady men in every game. As for Poucher there is some difference in coaching at c level under no pressure than mc Crory where you are expected to win every year. Some of the things you have come out with are laughable and shows a fascination with slot of people in our county who seem to think things are easily won. You are right that the schools in Down are not helping by their limited coaching but is the clubs doing any better for the lads

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« Reply #26185 on: March 30, 2016, 01:44:47 PM »
I don't think the johnstones were as influential as mooney.Take Mooney out of the side and no they would not have won the Hogan
What's so hard with winning 3 games?
Give Poacher the managerial reigns at either St Colmans or Abbey and they would win a hogan within 4 years
That's the difference

This right here. Brilliant.
If only his face fit he could solve all our problems.
Damn that non-fitting face of his.

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« Reply #26186 on: March 30, 2016, 02:39:59 PM »
We have had so many all Ireland winners in the past who attended schools in Downpatrick which have never had the greatest success. But anyway its all about the Newry schools and a couple of the great GAA schools based in ........Kilkeel.

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« Reply #26187 on: March 30, 2016, 03:38:27 PM »
To start blaming the schools is ludicrous.

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« Reply #26188 on: March 30, 2016, 04:08:21 PM »
Mooney was never a player to lead. He drifted in and out of matches, doing very little for ages and then popping up to score a goal and a few points. Shay McCartan was far more influential in the forward line and a better player. Too bad he went to soccer because he would be a county senior now. If Mooney was the only good player then how come Shay McCardle, Jerome Johnston, Ryan Johnston, Ross McGarry, Niall McParland, Connor Gough, Daryl Brannigan and Donal O'Hare all have reperesented Down at senior county level.

As for St Colmans and the Abbey expected to get to the final every year - Well isn't that a bit of an insult to Omagh, Dungannon and Maghera?
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« Reply #26189 on: March 30, 2016, 04:13:25 PM »
Mooney was never a player to lead. He drifted in and out of matches, doing very little for ages and then popping up to score a goal and a few points. Shay McCartan was far more influential in the forward line and a better player. Too bad he went to soccer because he would be a county senior now. If Mooney was the only good player then how come Shay McCardle, Jerome Johnston, Ryan Johnston, Ross McGarry, Niall McParland, Connor Gough, Daryl Brannigan and Donal O'Hare all have reperesented Down at senior county level.

As for St Colmans and the Abbey expected to get to the final every year - Well isn't that a bit of an insult to Omagh, Dungannon and Maghera?
Yeah Shay McCartan a big loss. I see he scored for norn iron u21's last night.