Down Club Hurling & Football

[Hard2Listen2]

DJ Morgan taking Rostrevor. They must be serious contenders again for intermediate championship.
Beaten in last two finals.

[Truth hurts]

DJ Morgan taking Rostrevor. They must be serious contenders again for intermediate championship.
Beaten in last two finals.

Rostrevor made a wise appointment because DJ had previously worked well with Carryduff. Does anyone have a current list of appointments and managers? Is the merry-go-round coming to an end, or are there still clubs looking to hire mercenaries?

[Hard2Listen2]

DJ Morgan taking Rostrevor. They must be serious contenders again for intermediate championship.
Beaten in last two finals.

Rostrevor made a wise appointment because DJ had previously worked well with Carryduff. Does anyone have a current list of appointments and managers? Is the merry-go-round coming to an end, or are there still clubs looking to hire mercenaries?

Why? Are you available for hire?

[befair]

Delighted to see Paul Faloon refing the Ulster final. Well-deserved, tho there's alway a risk Kilcoo won't turn up in protest

[Johnnysboys]

I think Stevie O'Hare was involved in last management team & those lads will know Eoin well.
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Both Stevie and Eoin were in the whole time with Jim McCorry.

I think now Rostrevor have management in place - that's all clubs sorted out. There might be a few selectors etc to be put in place in an odd club but that's it. The main men are all sorted.

[Square Ball]

Delighted to see Paul Faloon refing the Ulster final. Well-deserved, tho there's alway a risk Kilcoo won't turn up in protest

Agree, so just hypothetically here. Would Ulster have folded the way Down did if Kilcoo have had made the final? I doubt it very much.

[Maurice Moss]

Yes fair play to Paul, hope he has a good final.

[skat man]

Delighted to see Paul Faloon refing the Ulster final. Well-deserved, tho there's alway a risk Kilcoo won't turn up in protest

Agree, so just hypothetically here. Would Ulster have folded the way Down did if Kilcoo have had made the final? I doubt it very much.

i doubt very much that ulster gaa would have put a down man in charge of a final containing a down team

[skat man]

on the manager discussions , managing a senior team at any level now from div 1 to div 4 is a huge undertaking. the reason there is a "merry go round" is that within most clubs, in-house managers dont want to step up and take the senior job.
many reasons like the time involved or the lack of confidence at the level or simply having seen that in some clubs in-house men get zero thanks. The reason outside "mercenaries" exist is because there is a need and they fill it. Make in house coaching more attractive and perhaps this will change 

[Truth hurts]

The horse has bolted on county managers and club managers are now doing the same. The salaries these individuals receive are obscene, and at the end of the year, very few people get to celebrate with trophies. Invest in facilities and educate your people to coach.

[smort]

The horse has bolted on county managers and club managers are now doing the same. The salaries these individuals receive are obscene, and at the end of the year, very few people get to celebrate with trophies. Invest in facilities and educate your people to coach.

Couldn't agree more, but particularly this part

[Splash]

Great that Newry's hosting the Ulster Senior Hurling Final tomorrow.

Good to see County Down being chosen for a couple big hurling occasions now (just a pity it's a neutral venue and there's no Down team in the final).

Should hopefully give the hurling scene in the county a bit of a boost. Not too often we get games of that level.

Would encourage anyone who is curious as to what the story is with this hurling craic to have a look tomorrow when it's on our doorstep.

Given the location of Newry, and how many more games are played now in a season, would Páirc Esler be likely to host more games in the future?

Curious.... How would this give hurling a boost?

Exposure to high quality games will always provoke a bit more interest in something.

It won't magically solve Down's hurling problem or inspire a sudden influx of players to the game, and tbh when I read that back I can see I really should have worded that better perhaps.

It won't fix our hurling woes, but hosting good games won't do any harm.

Could have phrased that better.

[supersub]

The horse has bolted on county managers and club managers are now doing the same. The salaries these individuals receive are obscene, and at the end of the year, very few people get to celebrate with trophies. Invest in facilities and educate your people to coach.

Not every manager who gets paid is a mercenary. There are only so many people within a club who are capable/willing to take their Senior team. What happens when this well drys up for a year or two? You have to get a manager from somewhere. So naturally external appointments are going to happen.

There are absolutely people in it for the 'CV' and the cash, no doubt - and these are the mercenaries. Gone are the days of getting a few quid expenses in some cases. Now it seems to be this is the cost take it or leave it (again in some cases).

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that some paid managers/coaches do actually care about the team they are with, the reputation they are putting on the line themselves, and the development of their own skill set etc. Maybe not all are like this, it would be naive to think so. But similarly, don't tarnish all paid men with the same brush.

[ck]

Agree with this. Most outside club managers I have come across are good men who care deeply about the team they coach. They usually bring a level of expertise that doesnt exist within the club. Also, players demand the best and they'll not settle for the man they had at underage who they just don't have faith in.

There may well be "mercenaries" in the game but usually this is just peddled by disgruntled high profile commentators who yearn for a return to 1995. It's not happening.

I expect Jarlath Burns to look at this issue and perhaps bring some transparency to it. I think the only way to control it is to standardise it ie: make payments legal and bring them out into the open. Then put conditions and caps on them.

[marty34]

The term mercenary is correct.

These stay for a year, maybe two, then clear off to another club and repeat, repeat and repeat.

If they're that good why don't they stay with their own club?

Expertise - what is that? There's only one cup to be lifted at the end of the year. One team will win it. Only one can be 'the expert'.