Who needs a goalie to take 45s?

[Champion The Wonder Horse]

Cluxton jogs up to his 45's and it probably adds about 10-15 seconds. But that is not the end of the world. But I disagree about Morgan. He is out of his goals the second the umpire raises his arm. I don't think Morgan holds up things hardly at all.

For Morgan's first 45 on Saturday evening, there was a lapse of exactly 50 seconds between the ball going out and Morgan kicking the ball. I got bored after that.

[anfheardubh]

Cluxton jogs up to his 45's and it probably adds about 10-15 seconds. But that is not the end of the world. But I disagree about Morgan. He is out of his goals the second the umpire raises his arm. I don't think Morgan holds up things hardly at all.

For Morgan's first 45 on Saturday evening, there was a lapse of exactly 50 seconds between the ball going out and Morgan kicking the ball. I got bored after that.

yip slows the game down and its pretty pathetic that an intercounty footballer cant kick a ball of air over from 40 odd metres

Just shows how some of the skill are not being coached properly

Cluxton took  70 odd seconds in the AI FINAL IN 2011 and the ref did add any time   A  JOKE

[BennyHarp]

I'd say the same oul fellas who give off about keepers kicking frees are the same oul fellas who lament the loss of the art of dead ball kicking from our game whilst giving off at lads kicking free from their hands.

[LeoMc]

What this points up is that it seems that, in a lot of teams, the goalie is the only one practising long kicks. There are still plenty of inter-county teams who don't have anyone who can take a 45 with reasonable confidence. Most of the rest have only one 45/long free specialist. Some teams don't even seem too bothered about developing short free takers who can deliver 90%+ accuracy. It seems a very short-sighted approach in the era when teams have hordes of specialists monitoring and optimising everything from what lads have for their breakfasts to functional movement, whatever that is.

Functional movement is what happens after an unmonitored breakfast.

[anfheardubh]

I'd say the same oul fellas who give off about keepers kicking frees are the same oul fellas who lament the loss of the art of dead ball kicking from our game whilst giving off at lads kicking free from their hands.

A lesson in the fundamentals of physics would conclude that the action of kicking a ball from the ground has less variables than from the hand therefore better practice and more efficient!!!!

With age comes experience  , my friend

PS   i aint bucket list material yet

[BennyHarp]

I'd say the same oul fellas who give off about keepers kicking frees are the same oul fellas who lament the loss of the art of dead ball kicking from our game whilst giving off at lads kicking free from their hands.

A lesson in the fundamentals of physics would conclude that the action of kicking a ball from the ground has less variables than from the hand therefore better practice and more efficient!!!!

With age comes experience  , my friend

PS   i aint bucket list material yet

A quick lesson in comparative advantage would suggest then it's more efficient  to get the only player on the team whose role is to kick a dead ball to practice that skill religiously, while the rest of the team concentrate on kicking from the hands?  As it's such a unique skill I think we can allow a couple of seconds per game for it. Look how long it takes in rugby - they appreciate the importance of converting these opportunities, we on the other hand, shout at our dead ball specialists to get on with it.

[anfheardubh]

I'd say the same oul fellas who give off about keepers kicking frees are the same oul fellas who lament the loss of the art of dead ball kicking from our game whilst giving off at lads kicking free from their hands.

A lesson in the fundamentals of physics would conclude that the action of kicking a ball from the ground has less variables than from the hand therefore better practice and more efficient!!!!

With age comes experience  , my friend

PS   i aint bucket list material yet

A quick lesson in comparative advantage would suggest then it's more efficient  to get the only player on the team whose role is to kick a dead ball to practice that skill religiously, while the rest of the team concentrate on kicking from the hands?  As it's such a unique skill I think we can allow a couple of seconds per game for it. Look how long it takes in rugby - they appreciate the importance of converting these opportunities, we on the other hand, shout at our dead ball specialists to get on with it.

your comment was an argument on  the kick off the  ground v kick from the hand!!!!!

gaa is a completely different game to rugby!!!   or am i mising something

[BennyHarp]

I'd say the same oul fellas who give off about keepers kicking frees are the same oul fellas who lament the loss of the art of dead ball kicking from our game whilst giving off at lads kicking free from their hands.

A lesson in the fundamentals of physics would conclude that the action of kicking a ball from the ground has less variables than from the hand therefore better practice and more efficient!!!!

With age comes experience  , my friend

PS   i aint bucket list material yet

A quick lesson in comparative advantage would suggest then it's more efficient  to get the only player on the team whose role is to kick a dead ball to practice that skill religiously, while the rest of the team concentrate on kicking from the hands?  As it's such a unique skill I think we can allow a couple of seconds per game for it. Look how long it takes in rugby - they appreciate the importance of converting these opportunities, we on the other hand, shout at our dead ball specialists to get on with it.

your comment was an argument on  the kick off the  ground v kick from the hand!!!!!

gaa is a completely different game to rugby!!!   or am i mising something

My argument is that those who are best at kicking the ball off the ground should be allowed to get on with it, if that is the goalkeeper, then so be it. It makes sense that the keeper concentrates on his dead ball kicking therefore it's hardly a stretch to develop that technique to kick at goal. My comparison with rugby is that they have specialist penalty kickers as they appreciate the importance of converting these opportunities. Can you really not see how that compares to a GAA match? If a few extra seconds is needed to watch a fella point a 50 yard free then I'm happy with that.

[anfheardubh]

I'd say the same oul fellas who give off about keepers kicking frees are the same oul fellas who lament the loss of the art of dead ball kicking from our game whilst giving off at lads kicking free from their hands.

A lesson in the fundamentals of physics would conclude that the action of kicking a ball from the ground has less variables than from the hand therefore better practice and more efficient!!!!

With age comes experience  , my friend

PS   i aint bucket list material yet

A quick lesson in comparative advantage would suggest then it's more efficient  to get the only player on the team whose role is to kick a dead ball to practice that skill religiously, while the rest of the team concentrate on kicking from the hands?  As it's such a unique skill I think we can allow a couple of seconds per game for it. Look how long it takes in rugby - they appreciate the importance of converting these opportunities, we on the other hand, shout at our dead ball specialists to get on with it.

your comment was an argument on  the kick off the  ground v kick from the hand!!!!!

gaa is a completely different game to rugby!!!   or am i mising something

My argument is that those who are best at kicking the ball off the ground should be allowed to get on with it, if that is the goalkeeper, then so be it. It makes sense that the keeper concentrates on his dead ball kicking therefore it's hardly a stretch to develop that technique to kick at goal. My comparison with rugby is that they have specialist penalty kickers as they appreciate the importance of converting these opportunities. Can you really not see how that compares to a GAA match? If a few extra seconds is needed to watch a fella point a 50 yard free then I'm happy with that.

The clock is stopped in rugby matches by the ref not in gaa games

I would actually ban goalkeepers from kicking frees to speed up the game,  take for example Tyrone, Darren McCurry is a fantastic deadball kicker and if given the role by Mickey the confidence gained could improve his all round game

He persisted long enough with his nephew Peter who couldnt kick snow off a rope which cost them dearly against Donegal a few seasons ago

[No1]

This just proves that goalkeepers are the most talented and important individuals among the 15 players on any team.

[Wildweasel74]

A famous dutchman man noted one time if a goalkeeper was any good he be playing out the field (talking about soccer at the time of course)

[anfheardubh]

A famous dutchman man noted one time if a goalkeeper was any good he be playing out the field (talking about soccer at the time of course)

Goalkeepers have a common denominator, they are all crazy to some extent

Sure you would have to be to stand for 70 mins between 2 sticks lol lol

Keepers should stay in their BOX...like jack

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Cluxton jogs up to his 45's and it probably adds about 10-15 seconds. But that is not the end of the world. But I disagree about Morgan. He is out of his goals the second the umpire raises his arm. I don't think Morgan holds up things hardly at all.

For Morgan's first 45 on Saturday evening, there was a lapse of exactly 50 seconds between the ball going out and Morgan kicking the ball. I got bored after that.

yip slows the game down and its pretty pathetic that an intercounty footballer cant kick a ball of air over from 40 odd metres

Just shows how some of the skill are not being coached properly

Cluxton took  70 odd seconds in the AI FINAL IN 2011 and the ref did add any time   A  JOKE

Just curious, did you time the Kerry free takers in that game too?   How did the time they took compare to the time taken by Cluxton?

[PAULD123]

Cluxton jogs up to his 45's and it probably adds about 10-15 seconds. But that is not the end of the world. But I disagree about Morgan. He is out of his goals the second the umpire raises his arm. I don't think Morgan holds up things hardly at all.

For Morgan's first 45 on Saturday evening, there was a lapse of exactly 50 seconds between the ball going out and Morgan kicking the ball. I got bored after that.

yip slows the game down and its pretty pathetic that an intercounty footballer cant kick a ball of air over from 40 odd metres

Just shows how some of the skill are not being coached properly

Cluxton took  70 odd seconds in the AI FINAL IN 2011 and the ref did add any time   A  JOKE

Just curious, did you time the Kerry free takers in that game too?   How did the time they took compare to the time taken by Cluxton?

i timed a few of the Kerry frees in that match just to see how Cluxton compared. Kerry took a lot of frees from the hands and Gooch does not hang about. His average time from whistle being blown to kicking the ball was just over 20 seconds. But these were mostly close in and easily kickable. I think you have to allow for the fact that Cluxton only ever takes difficult frees. And people do take longer for those ones.

As for Morgan taking 50 seconds to get a kick in the other night, I think that pretty much meets my expectation of his added time. A 50 from umpire lifting his arm to the kick being taken is around 30 seconds. So Morgan added 15-20 seconds to that. Not an awful lost really over the course of a game.

[Michael Schmeichal]

Cluxton jogs up to his 45's and it probably adds about 10-15 seconds. But that is not the end of the world. But I disagree about Morgan. He is out of his goals the second the umpire raises his arm. I don't think Morgan holds up things hardly at all.

For Morgan's first 45 on Saturday evening, there was a lapse of exactly 50 seconds between the ball going out and Morgan kicking the ball. I got bored after that.

yip slows the game down and its pretty pathetic that an intercounty footballer cant kick a ball of air over from 40 odd metres

Just shows how some of the skill are not being coached properly

Cluxton took  70 odd seconds in the AI FINAL IN 2011 and the ref did add any time   A  JOKE

Just curious, did you time the Kerry free takers in that game too?   How did the time they took compare to the time taken by Cluxton?

i timed a few of the Kerry frees in that match just to see how Cluxton compared. Kerry took a lot of frees from the hands and Gooch does not hang about. His average time from whistle being blown to kicking the ball was just over 20 seconds. But these were mostly close in and easily kickable. I think you have to allow for the fact that Cluxton only ever takes difficult frees. And people do take longer for those ones.

As for Morgan taking 50 seconds to get a kick in the other night, I think that pretty much meets my expectation of his added time. A 50 from umpire lifting his arm to the kick being taken is around 30 seconds. So Morgan added 15-20 seconds to that. Not an awful lost really over the course of a game.

Brian Sheehan took over a minute to tale a free in the middle of the second half. At the time Kerry looked like they were coasting. I'd say if he had a chance to take it again he'd speed it up a small bit.