Gerry Adams lifted!

[lynchbhoy]

Adams presented himself, but why now after so long. Yes the psni have to do their job, but coincidentally at the same time as the unionist ard fheis....
at best this is the law being fecking slow and rubbish, but I think they did wait until they could get maximum exposure to damage the shinners in the north (and the south too).
sf will be helped by adams leaving (funnily enough mcguinness is now seem to be seen as a good guy or bad guy turned good )
but adams wont leave until after 1916 commemorations id expect.

unless Gerry was in the room (unmasked) and can be identified by the kids present at the time, then I don't think they can charge or do Gerry Adams with anything.

To my knowledge he didn't (or couldn't have) ordered anything.
Having recently heard/read Brendan Dark Hughes statement on this, I believe that this has been misinterpreted.

so the only way Adams can be done or is culpable in any way, is if he was along with or one of the lifting party.

Both for whatever reason chose to do the opposite regarding their past.

Gerry denies some stuff but has come clean on nothing afaik. Martin came clean on some stuff.

To my mind one shows real leadership and not the other.

Oscar Wilde: Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.

This is just it muppet!
Mcguinness has convinced the general public that he's a good guy after what most poster on here ( esp southerners) say they despise about the IRA killing war bombs etc

He was never for politics but assigned a job by the IRA to watch that Adams didn't give too much

Adams was a good talker and the ideal man so his good friends in long kesh agreed that he was to be the political face of the republicans as they themselves were not up to it and just war mongrels and soldiers. Adams held the same ideals and was art so could run this.

Adams never had the guts to be involved in any IRA activity. Membership by association is as close as he got!
So he couldn't have ordered any killing of jean mcconville
- I think Hughes statement is very misinterpreted

That the police psni /ruc remanants are widening their questioning shows the motive is try try and find a way to make  or set Gerry Adams up as a member of IRA and do him for a former event.
Undermining his credibility and sf in the process

However either way sf wins.
If the cops fail - sf and Adams get huge milage north and south out of this - and yes inda will have to answer questions rather than sledging

If the cops pin something on Adams - then sf elect a new leader and it may be Mary Lou
- this becoming more appealing to the electorate here at least.
Mcguinness will continue to appeal and appear now to people as whiter than the Dalai Lama - and will go for and possibly win the next presidential election ( which is what all this craic inc shaking hands with English queen was about)
And I will laugh !

Mcguinness is like any other former revolutionary head turned statesman
Degaulle Castro Churchill Washington etc etc

Anyhow they are upping the ante on Adams and I think they are shooting themselves in the foot ( though with no British army guys to assist these days, they could very well miss)

[muppet]

Adams presented himself, but why now after so long. Yes the psni have to do their job, but coincidentally at the same time as the unionist ard fheis....
at best this is the law being fecking slow and rubbish, but I think they did wait until they could get maximum exposure to damage the shinners in the north (and the south too).
sf will be helped by adams leaving (funnily enough mcguinness is now seem to be seen as a good guy or bad guy turned good )
but adams wont leave until after 1916 commemorations id expect.

unless Gerry was in the room (unmasked) and can be identified by the kids present at the time, then I don't think they can charge or do Gerry Adams with anything.

To my knowledge he didn't (or couldn't have) ordered anything.
Having recently heard/read Brendan Dark Hughes statement on this, I believe that this has been misinterpreted.

so the only way Adams can be done or is culpable in any way, is if he was along with or one of the lifting party.

Both for whatever reason chose to do the opposite regarding their past.

Gerry denies some stuff but has come clean on nothing afaik. Martin came clean on some stuff.

To my mind one shows real leadership and not the other.

Oscar Wilde: Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.

This is just it muppet!
Mcguinness has convinced the general public that he's a good guy after what most poster on here ( esp southerners) say they despise about the IRA killing war bombs etc

He was never for politics but assigned a job by the IRA to watch that Adams didn't give too much

Adams was a good talker and the ideal man so his good friends in long kesh agreed that he was to be the political face of the republicans as they themselves were not up to it and just war mongrels and soldiers. Adams held the same ideals and was art so could run this.

Adams never had the guts to be involved in any IRA activity. Membership by association is as close as he got!
So he couldn't have ordered any killing of jean mcconville
- I think Hughes statement is very misinterpreted

That the police psni /ruc remanants are widening their questioning shows the motive is try try and find a way to make  or set Gerry Adams up as a member of IRA and do him for a former event.
Undermining his credibility and sf in the process

However either way sf wins.
If the cops fail - sf and Adams get huge milage north and south out of this - and yes inda will have to answer questions rather than sledging

If the cops pin something on Adams - then sf elect a new leader and it may be Mary Lou
- this becoming more appealing to the electorate here at least.
Mcguinness will continue to appeal and appear now to people as whiter than the Dalai Lama - and will go for and possibly win the next presidential election ( which is what all this craic inc shaking hands with English queen was about)
And I will laugh !

Mcguinness is like any other former revolutionary head turned statesman
Degaulle Castro Churchill Washington etc etc

Anyhow they are upping the ante on Adams and I think they are shooting themselves in the foot ( though with no British army guys to assist these days, they could very well miss)

McGuinness is more like where Mandela was just after he came out of prison imho.

[lynchbhoy]

Yes muppet. I'd agree- that's what sf are attempting ( and succeeding) to portray McGuinness as.

But that's what cracks me up!
Adams was distrusted by any serious IRA man during the conflict and indeen even now as he was 'not one of them'
Mcguinness we know was more Castro than Mandela.

But now it's Adams who gets all the bad press and so on- and he actually did feck all wrong himself in the war!

A lot of republicans don't like Adams because he made a lot of money selling books and has a couple of holiday homes - whereas most others ploughed that money back into the party etc
A lot would be happy to see him go.
The next leader will bring the party on massively.

I laugh at inda when he has a go at Mary Lou about IRA , deaths, sf track record ( rem it was the IRA not sf!!!) etc. - inda prob knows more IRA men than she does!!

Next leader if Gerry does 'have' to go...
Mary Lou
Conor Murphy
Mcguinness ( unlikely)
Caoimhin o'C
Pearse

Apart from McGuinness who is now like Mandela/ Dalai Lama/ ghandi
The rest have no IRA 'baggage' and south of border will certainly make big increases in voters

In the north not much will change - might be a few voters got from moderate 'castle' Catholics.
Unionists despise Adams as he is the figurehead that crumbled their totalitarian apartheid-esque pseudo statelet.

Adams could go down for something. Not the first time people will testify somewhat innaccurately - though I dont think it will be the mcconville issues he is done for. Tax evasion possibly?

The Brit gov are currently interested as the norths politicians and their votes in Westminster are crucial again as the English parties are back to being close again.
In past labour and then conservative govs, they were landslides so northern block vote didn't matter. It does now so Brit gov needs to keep in with unionist voters so will lend a hand in Adams issue for their own political parliament voting gain

This whole episode intrigues me at least. Anyhow sf will come out better off either way!

[Nally Stand]

Next leader if Gerry does 'have' to go...
Mary Lou
Conor Murphy
Mcguinness ( unlikely)
Caoimhin o'C
Pearse

Apart from McGuinness who is now like Mandela/ Dalai Lama/ ghandi
The rest have no IRA 'baggage'

The next leader is Mary Lou. I think the fact that she has stated her willingness to be so is down to the fact that the decision has been made and she has been permitted to say it publically. Up until that, leadership debates were not a subject ever even mentioned in relation to SF. She would hardly be going on a solo run on the topic about her ambitions, unless the party was happy for her to.

As for the "no IRA 'baggage'" bit - Conor Murphy is a former Volunteer and ex-prisoner. To quote Jarlath Burns at one of Martin McGuinness's presidential election rallies (when talking about the Carragher family): "when Peter Joseph John Caraher's father fought in the War of Independence in 1919-21 the M.P. for Armagh was Michael Collins. The M.P. for Armagh today is here tonight Ladies and Gentleman, Conor Murphy, and he also fought in the War of Independence let nobody tell you any different."

[Gaffer]

Next leader if Gerry does 'have' to go...
Mary Lou
Conor Murphy
Mcguinness ( unlikely)
Caoimhin o'C
Pearse

Apart from McGuinness who is now like Mandela/ Dalai Lama/ ghandi
The rest have no IRA 'baggage'

The next leader is Mary Lou. I think the fact that she has stated her willingness to be so is down to the fact that the decision has been made and she has been permitted to say it publically. Up until that, leadership debates were not a subject ever even mentioned in relation to SF. She would hardly be going on a solo run on the topic about her ambitions, unless the party was happy for her to.

As for the "no IRA 'baggage'" bit - Conor Murphy is a former Volunteer and ex-prisoner. To quote Jarlath Burns at one of Martin McGuinness's presidential election rallies (when talking about the Carragher family): "when Peter Joseph John Caraher's father fought in the War of Independence in 1919-21 the M.P. for Armagh was Michael Collins. The M.P. for Armagh today is here tonight Ladies and Gentleman, Conor Murphy, and he also fought in the War of Independence let nobody tell you any different."

Jarlath also stated in that speech that Caraher ruled south armagh from his back kitchen.

I woud like to know how did Caraher get the authority to rule anybody from his back kitchen.

[orangeman]

The inevitable You tube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeCAZqkWlSE

[brokencrossbar1]

Next leader if Gerry does 'have' to go...
Mary Lou
Conor Murphy
Mcguinness ( unlikely)
Caoimhin o'C
Pearse

Apart from McGuinness who is now like Mandela/ Dalai Lama/ ghandi
The rest have no IRA 'baggage'

The next leader is Mary Lou. I think the fact that she has stated her willingness to be so is down to the fact that the decision has been made and she has been permitted to say it publically. Up until that, leadership debates were not a subject ever even mentioned in relation to SF. She would hardly be going on a solo run on the topic about her ambitions, unless the party was happy for her to.

As for the "no IRA 'baggage'" bit - Conor Murphy is a former Volunteer and ex-prisoner. To quote Jarlath Burns at one of Martin McGuinness's presidential election rallies (when talking about the Carragher family): "when Peter Joseph John Caraher's father fought in the War of Independence in 1919-21 the M.P. for Armagh was Michael Collins. The M.P. for Armagh today is here tonight Ladies and Gentleman, Conor Murphy, and he also fought in the War of Independence let nobody tell you any different."

Jarlath also stated in that speech that Caraher ruled south armagh from his back kitchen.

I woud like to know how did Caraher get the authority to rule anybody from his back kitchen.

Because he did,  simple  as that.

[muppet]

The inevitable You tube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeCAZqkWlSE

Excellent.

[All of a Sludden]

The inevitable You tube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeCAZqkWlSE

Excellent.

Even by NI comedy standards, that is pathetic.

[BennyCake]

The inevitable You tube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeCAZqkWlSE

Excellent.

Even by NI comedy standards, that is pathetic.

Brutal indeed.

[Gaffer]

Next leader if Gerry does 'have' to go...
Mary Lou
Conor Murphy
Mcguinness ( unlikely)
Caoimhin o'C
Pearse

Apart from McGuinness who is now like Mandela/ Dalai Lama/ ghandi
The rest have no IRA 'baggage'

The next leader is Mary Lou. I think the fact that she has stated her willingness to be so is down to the fact that the decision has been made and she has been permitted to say it publically. Up until that, leadership debates were not a subject ever even mentioned in relation to SF. She would hardly be going on a solo run on the topic about her ambitions, unless the party was happy for her to.

As for the "no IRA 'baggage'" bit - Conor Murphy is a former Volunteer and ex-prisoner. To quote Jarlath Burns at one of Martin McGuinness's presidential election rallies (when talking about the Carragher family): "when Peter Joseph John Caraher's father fought in the War of Independence in 1919-21 the M.P. for Armagh was Michael Collins. The M.P. for Armagh today is here tonight Ladies and Gentleman, Conor Murphy, and he also fought in the War of Independence let nobody tell you any different."

Jarlath also stated in that speech that Caraher ruled south armagh from his back kitchen.

I woud like to know how did Caraher get the authority to rule anybody from his back kitchen.

Because he did,  simple  as that.

In his  own head.

[lynchbhoy]

Next leader if Gerry does 'have' to go...
Mary Lou
Conor Murphy
Mcguinness ( unlikely)
Caoimhin o'C
Pearse

Apart from McGuinness who is now like Mandela/ Dalai Lama/ ghandi
The rest have no IRA 'baggage'

The next leader is Mary Lou. I think the fact that she has stated her willingness to be so is down to the fact that the decision has been made and she has been permitted to say it publically. Up until that, leadership debates were not a subject ever even mentioned in relation to SF. She would hardly be going on a solo run on the topic about her ambitions, unless the party was happy for her to.

As for the "no IRA 'baggage'" bit - Conor Murphy is a former Volunteer and ex-prisoner. To quote Jarlath Burns at one of Martin McGuinness's presidential election rallies (when talking about the Carragher family): "when Peter Joseph John Caraher's father fought in the War of Independence in 1919-21 the M.P. for Armagh was Michael Collins. The M.P. for Armagh today is here tonight Ladies and Gentleman, Conor Murphy, and he also fought in the War of Independence let nobody tell you any different."

I've never heard anything about Murphy and without any info in the guy, just thought he was locked up for 'membership' ( and like plenty more- may not have actually been one ).
Ok so he was a vol.
His star has waned a bit- low enough profile the past few years- but IMO was the best choice for sf a few years ago.
Mary Lou prob sf best bet now to increase votes and lead !

[Syferus]

Mary Lou isn't particularly popular. SF were succeeding in spite of their leadership.

[Nally Stand]

Mary Lou isn't particularly popular. SF were succeeding in spite of their leadership.

I'd prefer Pearse Doc as leader myself but I think Mary Lou had already been chosen for when the time comes but personally again, despite what the media would continue to tell us, SF have experienced continuous growth under Gerry Adams and I'd be in no rush to see him replaced. As for Mary Lou not being popular, I think that was more the case a few years back. Her work on the Public Accounts Committee has seen her receive considerable kudos. Even the Irish times have said that she "shines on it".

[lynchbhoy]

mary lou is popular enough around the south
seen as the new wave of sf
sf putting a woman up as leader will get the female vote and soften the party's image
id prefer pearse , caoimhin or murphy but she is very capable and driven
nice woman too and often used to chat to her after mass.