Playing at home for the rest of the Season (year)!

[Dont Matter]

They want to sponsor Dublin because they're successful and why are Dublin successful? What we have is Dublin getting trucks of cash to improve their standards and then when they improve their standards they get huge sponsorship plus the trucks of cash. How much is the AIG deal worth?
It's mental, no one can compete with this. The thing is that the money keeps rolling in from HQ, it's not stopping. Why is this? Haven't they already got enough out of the ten years of unlimited funds? People have to get paid you see, full time officers.
The only way this can be sorted at this stage is to split Dublin, it's gone too far. It's the only option we have unless we ignore it and let one team buy trophies. Make our great games amateur again, split the professional county!

[Canalman]

They want to sponsor Dublin because they're successful and why are Dublin successful? What we have is Dublin getting trucks of cash to improve their standards and then when they improve their standards they get huge sponsorship plus the trucks of cash. How much is the AIG deal worth?
It's mental, no one can compete with this. The thing is that the money keeps rolling in from HQ, it's not stopping. Why is this? Haven't they already got enough out of the ten years of unlimited funds? People have to get paid you see, full time officers.
The only way this can be sorted at this stage is to split Dublin, it's gone too far. It's the only option we have unless we ignore it and let one team buy trophies. Make our great games amateur again, split the professional county!

And at the same time merge counties to make them stronger. Laois/Carlow merger would be nice for example.
Would be a serious contender for AI win imo. People of Laois and Carlow would be ecstatic or would they?

[Rossfan]

. Laois/Carlow merger would be nice for example.
Would be a serious contender for AI win imo. People of Laois and Carlow would be ecstatic or would they?

Would be a way for Liam o'Neill and his FRC to get 8 Counties in each Province -
Merge Fermanagh/Monaghan and you have 8 in Ullster
Divide Galway( City/West and East) and you have 8 in Connacht(incl NY)
Divide Cork ( City/County), Kerry (North/South) and you have 8 in Munster
Divide Dublin (City/Co) and then amalgamate - Carlow/Kilkenny, Wicklow/Wexford, Longford/Westmeath,Laois/Offaly, Meath/Louth and then Kildare alone = 8.
All problems solved and Don't Matter is happy too. 

[screenexile]

They want to sponsor Dublin because they're successful and why are Dublin successful? What we have is Dublin getting trucks of cash to improve their standards and then when they improve their standards they get huge sponsorship plus the trucks of cash. How much is the AIG deal worth?
It's mental, no one can compete with this. The thing is that the money keeps rolling in from HQ, it's not stopping. Why is this? Haven't they already got enough out of the ten years of unlimited funds? People have to get paid you see, full time officers.
The only way this can be sorted at this stage is to split Dublin, it's gone too far. It's the only option we have unless we ignore it and let one team buy trophies. Make our great games amateur again, split the professional county!

And at the same time merge counties to make them stronger. Laois/Carlow merger would be nice for example.
Would be a serious contender for AI win imo. People of Laois and Carlow would be ecstatic or would they?

Carlaois or Laoisarlow?

[Dont Matter]

  Deflection. When you know you have no argument this is one of the first ports of call! Bertie was famous for it.

Dublin South, Fingal and Dún Laoghaire/Rathdown. It's divided anyway for local government. It will allow more people a chance to play for their county and will get extra playing in each area. That's what the Dubs claim they want anyway.
Spread the money and it will also make the game fair for all counties competing for Provincial and All Ireland honours in all grades and codes. Teams like Carlow will be able to compete 15 v 15 instead of 15 v millions. It makes sense and everyone will be happy. What's stopping us?

[From the Bunker]

Deflection. When you know you have no argument this is one of the first ports of call! Bertie was famous for it.

Dublin South, Fingal and Dún Laoghaire/Rathdown. It's divided anyway for local government. It will allow more people a chance to play for their county and will get extra playing in each area. That's what the Dubs claim they want anyway.
Spread the money and it will also make the game fair for all counties competing for Provincial and All Ireland honours in all grades and codes. Teams like Carlow will be able to compete 15 v 15 instead of 15 v millions. It makes sense and everyone will be happy. What's stopping us?

What is stopping us is tradition. Just like tradition is retaining the Provincial championships. The GAA created Croke Park the Super Stadium and to keep this Super Stadium viable they had to fill it. This was grand initially. Culchies like Myself loved going to this super stadium in the early noughties. Ulster Finals, Last 12 qualifier games all almost sold out. This was great. But gradually, Armagh and Tyrone declined. Kerry and Cork waited for the final. Meath and Kildare fell behind Westmeath and Laois. Galway vanished. And Mayo, Well Mayo just did what May did.  But there was always Dublin, They could be depended on to fill the coffers. Parnell Park is just a memory of a venue anymore used for the Celebrity Bainisteoir final. The GAA used the League to initially integrate the Dubs into playing league games in Croker. Year in year out the AI winners opened their League campaign playing the Dubs in Croker. Croker is the home of the Dubs, A standing terrace they claim to own and are offended when tickets go to the opposing finalist fans in a AI final. They have their own dressing room and expect to warm up under the Hill. Yes it's nicely set up. No travelling on Match day, No logistics, no cost and I'm just talking about the fans.

So where are we at? Well the Hurling part of this madness will kick in next when the players and crowds come through. We'll have all home games for the Dublin Hurlers as well. The Monopoly starts. The GAA chief who are clearly more interested in keeping the money flowing won't do anything! It's all about making money in this Amateur organisation. Garth Brooks, One Direction, American football,Corporate Boxes,Sky TV all will make allot of money for the GAA. It's a scary place. This reminds me of the Premier League when it came to English Soccer. Teams like Derby, Leeds, Forest, Villa, Everton no longer had a chance of winning a League title. Dublin are going to be the Man Utd. The only difference is at least Man U had/have to play some games away from home and finals in a neutral venue.

[magpie seanie]

It changes most years. Derry got the 2nd highest for about 3 or 4 of the years. A lot of the time bottom spot was shared by a few counties. Actually there's a mistake in my table, last year the bottom was 35,920 and Mayo got that. I don't include teams like London or New York, London only got 3,000 last year.

So this is a table you made up? 

[Johnnybegood]

Deflection. When you know you have no argument this is one of the first ports of call! Bertie was famous for it.

Dublin South, Fingal and Dún Laoghaire/Rathdown. It's divided anyway for local government. It will allow more people a chance to play for their county and will get extra playing in each area. That's what the Dubs claim they want anyway.
Spread the money and it will also make the game fair for all counties competing for Provincial and All Ireland honours in all grades and codes. Teams like Carlow will be able to compete 15 v 15 instead of 15 v millions. It makes sense and everyone will be happy. What's stopping us?

What is stopping us is tradition. Just like tradition is retaining the Provincial championships. The GAA created Croke Park the Super Stadium and to keep this Super Stadium viable they had to fill it. This was grand initially. Culchies like Myself loved going to this super stadium in the early noughties. Ulster Finals, Last 12 qualifier games all almost sold out. This was great. But gradually, Armagh and Tyrone declined. Kerry and Cork waited for the final. Meath and Kildare fell behind Westmeath and Laois. Galway vanished. And Mayo, Well Mayo just did what May did.  But there was always Dublin, They could be depended on to fill the coffers. Parnell Park is just a memory of a venue anymore used for the Celebrity Bainisteoir final. The GAA used the League to initially integrate the Dubs into playing league games in Croker. Year in year out the AI winners opened their League campaign playing the Dubs in Croker. Croker is the home of the Dubs, A standing terrace they claim to own and are offended when tickets go to the opposing finalist fans in a AI final. They have their own dressing room and expect to warm up under the Hill. Yes it's nicely set up. No travelling on Match day, No logistics, no cost and I'm just talking about the fans.

So where are we at? Well the Hurling part of this madness will kick in next when the players and crowds come through. We'll have all home games for the Dublin Hurlers as well. The Monopoly starts. The GAA chief who are clearly more interested in keeping the money flowing won't do anything! It's all about making money in this Amateur organisation. Garth Brooks, One Direction, American football,Corporate Boxes,Sky TV all will make allot of money for the GAA. It's a scary place. This reminds me of the Premier League when it came to English Soccer. Teams like Derby, Leeds, Forest, Villa, Everton no longer had a chance of winning a League title. Dublin are going to be the Man Utd. The only difference is at least Man U had/have to play some games away from home and finals in a neutral venue.

your first paragraph is very anti Dublin in its sentiments. Would you not be better at delivering a non biased argument ?

[heffo]

How could the unfair advantage Dublin currently have in terms of financial clout and funding be rectified to give a more even playing field for all counties?

All sponsorship money from each county could go into a central fund which could then be split evenly among the counties?
I'm not sure how that/if would impact the sponsors, they would still want to sponsor Dublin because their logo would still be on the shirts etc

You could do that, but what if instead of counties using that money for development like they should they use it to pay expenses for imports, use it to buy high powered cars for imported managers, don't manage their finances properly and use it to pay arrears on ESB bills etc

Why should counties who don't even have sponsorship officers and make little or no effort at development piggy back on the good work done by counties who manage their finances prudently?

[muppet]

How could the unfair advantage Dublin currently have in terms of financial clout and funding be rectified to give a more even playing field for all counties?

All sponsorship money from each county could go into a central fund which could then be split evenly among the counties?
I'm not sure how that/if would impact the sponsors, they would still want to sponsor Dublin because their logo would still be on the shirts etc

You could do that, but what if instead of counties using that money for development like they should they use it to pay expenses for imports, use it to buy high powered cars for imported managers, don't manage their finances properly and use it to pay arrears on ESB bills etc

Why should counties who don't even have sponsorship officers and make little or no effort at development piggy back on the good work done by counties who manage their finances prudently?

Indeed, to make it even fairer we should have every team winning every year, to make sure no one gets ahead of the rest.

[heffo]

How could the unfair advantage Dublin currently have in terms of financial clout and funding be rectified to give a more even playing field for all counties?

All sponsorship money from each county could go into a central fund which could then be split evenly among the counties?
I'm not sure how that/if would impact the sponsors, they would still want to sponsor Dublin because their logo would still be on the shirts etc

You could do that, but what if instead of counties using that money for development like they should they use it to pay expenses for imports, use it to buy high powered cars for imported managers, don't manage their finances properly and use it to pay arrears on ESB bills etc

Why should counties who don't even have sponsorship officers and make little or no effort at development piggy back on the good work done by counties who manage their finances prudently?

Indeed, to make it even fairer we should have every team winning every year, to make sure no one gets ahead of the rest.

Why don't you answer the question instead of being frivolous?

[muppet]

How could the unfair advantage Dublin currently have in terms of financial clout and funding be rectified to give a more even playing field for all counties?

All sponsorship money from each county could go into a central fund which could then be split evenly among the counties?
I'm not sure how that/if would impact the sponsors, they would still want to sponsor Dublin because their logo would still be on the shirts etc

You could do that, but what if instead of counties using that money for development like they should they use it to pay expenses for imports, use it to buy high powered cars for imported managers, don't manage their finances properly and use it to pay arrears on ESB bills etc

Why should counties who don't even have sponsorship officers and make little or no effort at development piggy back on the good work done by counties who manage their finances prudently?

Indeed, to make it even fairer we should have every team winning every year, to make sure no one gets ahead of the rest.

Why don't you answer the question instead of being frivolous?

I was agreeing with you.

Competition is the essence of the GAA. Without competition it would be just a very good drinking club.

[heffo]

How could the unfair advantage Dublin currently have in terms of financial clout and funding be rectified to give a more even playing field for all counties?

All sponsorship money from each county could go into a central fund which could then be split evenly among the counties?
I'm not sure how that/if would impact the sponsors, they would still want to sponsor Dublin because their logo would still be on the shirts etc

You could do that, but what if instead of counties using that money for development like they should they use it to pay expenses for imports, use it to buy high powered cars for imported managers, don't manage their finances properly and use it to pay arrears on ESB bills etc

Why should counties who don't even have sponsorship officers and make little or no effort at development piggy back on the good work done by counties who manage their finances prudently?

Indeed, to make it even fairer we should have every team winning every year, to make sure no one gets ahead of the rest.

Why don't you answer the question instead of being frivolous?

I was agreeing with you.

Competition is the essence of the GAA. Without competition it would be just a very good drinking club.

Apols

[From the Bunker]

Deflection. When you know you have no argument this is one of the first ports of call! Bertie was famous for it.

Dublin South, Fingal and Dún Laoghaire/Rathdown. It's divided anyway for local government. It will allow more people a chance to play for their county and will get extra playing in each area. That's what the Dubs claim they want anyway.
Spread the money and it will also make the game fair for all counties competing for Provincial and All Ireland honours in all grades and codes. Teams like Carlow will be able to compete 15 v 15 instead of 15 v millions. It makes sense and everyone will be happy. What's stopping us?

What is stopping us is tradition. Just like tradition is retaining the Provincial championships. The GAA created Croke Park the Super Stadium and to keep this Super Stadium viable they had to fill it. This was grand initially. Culchies like Myself loved going to this super stadium in the early noughties. Ulster Finals, Last 12 qualifier games all almost sold out. This was great. But gradually, Armagh and Tyrone declined. Kerry and Cork waited for the final. Meath and Kildare fell behind Westmeath and Laois. Galway vanished. And Mayo, Well Mayo just did what Mayo did.  But there was always Dublin, They could be depended on to fill the coffers. Parnell Park is just a memory of a venue anymore used for the Celebrity Bainisteoir final. The GAA used the League to initially integrate the Dubs into playing league games in Croker. Year in year out the AI winners opened their League campaign playing the Dubs in Croker. Croker is the home of the Dubs, A standing terrace they claim to own and are offended when tickets go to the opposing finalist fans in a AI final. They have their own dressing room and expect to warm up under the Hill. Yes it's nicely set up. No travelling on Match day, No logistics, no cost and I'm just talking about the fans.

So where are we at? Well the Hurling part of this madness will kick in next when the players and crowds come through. We'll have all home games for the Dublin Hurlers as well. The Monopoly starts. The GAA chief who are clearly more interested in keeping the money flowing won't do anything! It's all about making money in this Amateur organisation. Garth Brooks, One Direction, American football,Corporate Boxes,Sky TV all will make allot of money for the GAA. It's a scary place. This reminds me of the Premier League when it came to English Soccer. Teams like Derby, Leeds, Forest, Villa, Everton no longer had a chance of winning a League title. Dublin are going to be the Man Utd. The only difference is at least Man U had/have to play some games away from home and finals in a neutral venue.

your first paragraph is very anti Dublin in its sentiments. Would you not be better at delivering a non biased argument ?

It may sound anti-Dublin, but it is just calling things the way they are. Do you disagree with anything in the first paragraph? Look it's not the Dublin fans or players fault they naturally want to win and win all that can be won. Jez they don't care about anybody else and why should they. I'd be the exact same if we were in the same boat. It's all about your county doing well, so you're not bothered when things are going your own way! All of the advantages are with Dublin from the League semi final to the AI Final if they manage to get that far. If you cannot agree on that you have blinkers on! I must say I have been delighted to see the emergence of Dublin as a serious Hurling outfit. It is such a closed shop with the other traditional counties that it refreshing to see a new team in the mix.

[Johnnybegood]

Deflection. When you know you have no argument this is one of the first ports of call! Bertie was famous for it.

Dublin South, Fingal and Dún Laoghaire/Rathdown. It's divided anyway for local government. It will allow more people a chance to play for their county and will get extra playing in each area. That's what the Dubs claim they want anyway.
Spread the money and it will also make the game fair for all counties competing for Provincial and All Ireland honours in all grades and codes. Teams like Carlow will be able to compete 15 v 15 instead of 15 v millions. It makes sense and everyone will be happy. What's stopping us?

What is stopping us is tradition. Just like tradition is retaining the Provincial championships. The GAA created Croke Park the Super Stadium and to keep this Super Stadium viable they had to fill it. This was grand initially. Culchies like Myself loved going to this super stadium in the early noughties. Ulster Finals, Last 12 qualifier games all almost sold out. This was great. But gradually, Armagh and Tyrone declined. Kerry and Cork waited for the final. Meath and Kildare fell behind Westmeath and Laois. Galway vanished. And Mayo, Well Mayo just did what Mayo did.  But there was always Dublin, They could be depended on to fill the coffers. Parnell Park is just a memory of a venue anymore used for the Celebrity Bainisteoir final. The GAA used the League to initially integrate the Dubs into playing league games in Croker. Year in year out the AI winners opened their League campaign playing the Dubs in Croker. Croker is the home of the Dubs, A standing terrace they claim to own and are offended when tickets go to the opposing finalist fans in a AI final. They have their own dressing room and expect to warm up under the Hill. Yes it's nicely set up. No travelling on Match day, No logistics, no cost and I'm just talking about the fans.

So where are we at? Well the Hurling part of this madness will kick in next when the players and crowds come through. We'll have all home games for the Dublin Hurlers as well. The Monopoly starts. The GAA chief who are clearly more interested in keeping the money flowing won't do anything! It's all about making money in this Amateur organisation. Garth Brooks, One Direction, American football,Corporate Boxes,Sky TV all will make allot of money for the GAA. It's a scary place. This reminds me of the Premier League when it came to English Soccer. Teams like Derby, Leeds, Forest, Villa, Everton no longer had a chance of winning a League title. Dublin are going to be the Man Utd. The only difference is at least Man U had/have to play some games away from home and finals in a neutral venue.

your first paragraph is very anti Dublin in its sentiments. Would you not be better at delivering a non biased argument ?

It may sound anti-Dublin, but it is just calling things the way they are. Do you disagree with anything in the first paragraph? Look it's not the Dublin fans or players fault they naturally want to win and win all that can be won. Jez they don't care about anybody else and why should they. I'd be the exact same if we were in the same boat. It's all about your county doing well, so you're not bothered when things are going your own way! All of the advantages are with Dublin from the League semi final to the AI Final if they manage to get that far. If you cannot agree on that you have blinkers on! I must say I have been delighted to see the emergence of Dublin as a serious Hurling outfit. It is such a closed shop with the other traditional counties that it refreshing to see a new team in the mix.

what is the alternative to the current arrangement?