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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #225 on: October 12, 2018, 12:41:35 PM »
Strange that Wallace or Daly haven't been out to apologise to Fitzgerald for hounding her out of her job

We're sorry we got caught?
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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #226 on: October 12, 2018, 02:22:58 PM »
I'd imagine a civil case would be open and shut. Unfortunately Callinan and Taylor probably don't have much in the way of assets. I don't know if the law allows the seizure of a comfortable principal private residence in Castleknock in settlement of a civil finding of defamation.

That'll be in the wife's name by now.

You got to wonder about the mentality of people in power in Ireland. It really is all about the cover up rather than facing up to live issues when you try to blacken a whistleblower to the extent of putting out false stories of him being a paedophile than sorting out the actual issues he's coming to you with.

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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #227 on: October 12, 2018, 03:37:23 PM »
Strange that Wallace or Daly haven't been out to apologise to Fitzgerald for hounding her out of her job

We're sorry we got caught?
Hah?
Excuse me for talking while you're trying to interrupt me

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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #228 on: November 13, 2018, 07:54:08 AM »
Callinan was some bit of stuff...

Any sign of the 5 mobiles and 5 laptops Noirin and her cronies lost?
Maybe she brought them to NYC?

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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #229 on: November 13, 2018, 11:28:42 AM »
Disgraceful stuff. A Tony Greghory march to Callinans house and drive the f#cker out of the country. Massive respect to McCabe.

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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #230 on: November 13, 2018, 11:30:30 AM »
Callinan was some bit of stuff...

Any sign of the 5 mobiles and 5 laptops Noirin and her cronies lost?
Maybe she brought them to NYC?

This is small fry for Drew Harrison all the same. The RUC were inclined to lose guns.

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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #231 on: November 13, 2018, 11:47:32 AM »
Callinan was some bit of stuff...

Any sign of the 5 mobiles and 5 laptops Noirin and her cronies lost?
Maybe she brought them to NYC?

Curious - did you read the tribunal’s findings on the missing phones or are you basing it on what politicians and media (who were being spun lies) said before the findings?

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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #232 on: November 13, 2018, 12:10:19 PM »
Strange that Wallace or Daly haven't been out to apologise to Fitzgerald for hounding her out of her job

We're sorry we got caught?
Hah?

An empty apology (that they'd never have made if they were not caught) means less than f**k all to me.
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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #233 on: November 13, 2018, 05:29:07 PM »
Callinan was some bit of stuff...

Any sign of the 5 mobiles and 5 laptops Noirin and her cronies lost?
Maybe she brought them to NYC?

Curious - did you read the tribunal’s findings on the missing phones or are you basing it on what politicians and media (who were being spun lies) said before the findings?
Sorry, you are right.

It was 12 mobile phones.

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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #234 on: November 13, 2018, 07:49:24 PM »
Callinan was some bit of stuff...

Any sign of the 5 mobiles and 5 laptops Noirin and her cronies lost?
Maybe she brought them to NYC?

Curious - did you read the tribunal’s findings on the missing phones or are you basing it on what politicians and media (who were being spun lies) said before the findings?
Sorry, you are right.

It was 12 mobile phones.

The tribunals findings on missing phones:

"Superintendent David Taylor spun a deceit that his boss,
Commissioner Martin Callinan, with whom he was on the best of terms for all his time in the press
office of Garda Headquarters, and Nóirín O’Sullivan, who he decided for his own bitter reasons
he didn’t like and was not up to the job, were on the one hand composing, and on the other
approving, derogatory messages about Maurice McCabe. Hence, in his false reasoning, phones
were important. Hence, in his false reasoning phones went missing, Hence, in his false reasoning,
phones behaved mysteriously. Why? Because these phones had evidence implicating the highest
levels of the national police force in a vicious campaign against a defenceless sergeant who wanted
to see no more than an improvement in police standards.
And the reality? This tale was spun about missing phones, telecommunications interference by
Garda Headquarters, texts to politicians and journalists and a trail of evidence that never existed
in order, specifically and deliberately, to destroy the investigation by Chief Superintendent Clerkin
into the behaviour of Superintendent David Taylor. At risk through a perfectly legitimate and
honest investigation by a police officer of high intelligence and of truly distinguished record,
Superintendent Taylor chose to present a public lie to the people of Ireland. It was enthusiastically
taken up. Furthermore, it cast a pall of pretended deceit over the entire police force."



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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #235 on: November 13, 2018, 09:05:25 PM »
Callinan was some bit of stuff...

Any sign of the 5 mobiles and 5 laptops Noirin and her cronies lost?
Maybe she brought them to NYC?

Curious - did you read the tribunal’s findings on the missing phones or are you basing it on what politicians and media (who were being spun lies) said before the findings?
Sorry, you are right.

It was 12 mobile phones.

The tribunals findings on missing phones:

"Superintendent David Taylor spun a deceit that his boss,
Commissioner Martin Callinan, with whom he was on the best of terms for all his time in the press
office of Garda Headquarters, and Nóirín O’Sullivan, who he decided for his own bitter reasons
he didn’t like and was not up to the job, were on the one hand composing, and on the other
approving, derogatory messages about Maurice McCabe. Hence, in his false reasoning, phones
were important. Hence, in his false reasoning phones went missing, Hence, in his false reasoning,
phones behaved mysteriously. Why? Because these phones had evidence implicating the highest
levels of the national police force in a vicious campaign against a defenceless sergeant who wanted
to see no more than an improvement in police standards.
And the reality? This tale was spun about missing phones, telecommunications interference by
Garda Headquarters, texts to politicians and journalists and a trail of evidence that never existed
in order, specifically and deliberately, to destroy the investigation by Chief Superintendent Clerkin
into the behaviour of Superintendent David Taylor. At risk through a perfectly legitimate and
honest investigation by a police officer of high intelligence and of truly distinguished record,
Superintendent Taylor chose to present a public lie to the people of Ireland. It was enthusiastically
taken up. Furthermore, it cast a pall of pretended deceit over the entire police force."

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/commissioners-missing-phone-undermines-charleton-probe-35765152.html
The tribunal investigating an alleged smear campaign against Garda whistleblower Sgt Maurice McCabe has been "completely undermined" following confirmation that a mobile phone belonging to Garda Commissioner Nóirín O'Sullivan has gone missing.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2531922/twelve-out-of-15-mobile-phones-of-top-garda-officers-used-at-time-of-mccabe-row-are-missing-and-cannot-be-submitted-to-charleton-tribunal/amp/
Twelve out of 15 mobile phones of top Garda officers used at time of McCabe row are missing and cannot be submitted to Charleton Tribunal

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/incredible-that-mobile-phone-belonging-to-garda-commissioner-has-gone-missing-791600.html
Incredible' that mobile phone belonging to Garda Commissioner has gone missing

https://www.todayfm.com/News/12-Phones-Tribunal-Sought-Missing 
Just 3 out of 15 phones requested are surrendered
Just three out of 15 garda mobile phones sought by the Disclosures Tribunal have been surrendered with the remaining 12 missing.

Easy to avoid being fingered when you bury the evidence
Literally

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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #236 on: November 13, 2018, 10:03:21 PM »
Callinan was some bit of stuff...

Any sign of the 5 mobiles and 5 laptops Noirin and her cronies lost?
Maybe she brought them to NYC?

Curious - did you read the tribunal’s findings on the missing phones or are you basing it on what politicians and media (who were being spun lies) said before the findings?
Sorry, you are right.

It was 12 mobile phones.

The tribunals findings on missing phones:

"Superintendent David Taylor spun a deceit that his boss,
Commissioner Martin Callinan, with whom he was on the best of terms for all his time in the press
office of Garda Headquarters, and Nóirín O’Sullivan, who he decided for his own bitter reasons
he didn’t like and was not up to the job, were on the one hand composing, and on the other
approving, derogatory messages about Maurice McCabe. Hence, in his false reasoning, phones
were important. Hence, in his false reasoning phones went missing, Hence, in his false reasoning,
phones behaved mysteriously. Why? Because these phones had evidence implicating the highest
levels of the national police force in a vicious campaign against a defenceless sergeant who wanted
to see no more than an improvement in police standards.
And the reality? This tale was spun about missing phones, telecommunications interference by
Garda Headquarters, texts to politicians and journalists and a trail of evidence that never existed
in order, specifically and deliberately, to destroy the investigation by Chief Superintendent Clerkin
into the behaviour of Superintendent David Taylor. At risk through a perfectly legitimate and
honest investigation by a police officer of high intelligence and of truly distinguished record,
Superintendent Taylor chose to present a public lie to the people of Ireland. It was enthusiastically
taken up. Furthermore, it cast a pall of pretended deceit over the entire police force."

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/commissioners-missing-phone-undermines-charleton-probe-35765152.html
The tribunal investigating an alleged smear campaign against Garda whistleblower Sgt Maurice McCabe has been "completely undermined" following confirmation that a mobile phone belonging to Garda Commissioner Nóirín O'Sullivan has gone missing.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2531922/twelve-out-of-15-mobile-phones-of-top-garda-officers-used-at-time-of-mccabe-row-are-missing-and-cannot-be-submitted-to-charleton-tribunal/amp/
Twelve out of 15 mobile phones of top Garda officers used at time of McCabe row are missing and cannot be submitted to Charleton Tribunal

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/incredible-that-mobile-phone-belonging-to-garda-commissioner-has-gone-missing-791600.html
Incredible' that mobile phone belonging to Garda Commissioner has gone missing

https://www.todayfm.com/News/12-Phones-Tribunal-Sought-Missing 
Just 3 out of 15 phones requested are surrendered
Just three out of 15 garda mobile phones sought by the Disclosures Tribunal have been surrendered with the remaining 12 missing.

Easy to avoid being fingered when you bury the evidence
Literally

You have just posted all the stories the press was printing, and politicians were spewing about, not to mention all the people on message boards and social media, that Justice Carlton was addressing in the passage above.

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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #237 on: November 13, 2018, 10:17:30 PM »
Callinan was some bit of stuff...

Any sign of the 5 mobiles and 5 laptops Noirin and her cronies lost?
Maybe she brought them to NYC?

Curious - did you read the tribunal’s findings on the missing phones or are you basing it on what politicians and media (who were being spun lies) said before the findings?
Sorry, you are right.

It was 12 mobile phones.

The tribunals findings on missing phones:

"Superintendent David Taylor spun a deceit that his boss,
Commissioner Martin Callinan, with whom he was on the best of terms for all his time in the press
office of Garda Headquarters, and Nóirín O’Sullivan, who he decided for his own bitter reasons
he didn’t like and was not up to the job, were on the one hand composing, and on the other
approving, derogatory messages about Maurice McCabe. Hence, in his false reasoning, phones
were important. Hence, in his false reasoning phones went missing, Hence, in his false reasoning,
phones behaved mysteriously. Why? Because these phones had evidence implicating the highest
levels of the national police force in a vicious campaign against a defenceless sergeant who wanted
to see no more than an improvement in police standards.
And the reality? This tale was spun about missing phones, telecommunications interference by
Garda Headquarters, texts to politicians and journalists and a trail of evidence that never existed
in order, specifically and deliberately, to destroy the investigation by Chief Superintendent Clerkin
into the behaviour of Superintendent David Taylor. At risk through a perfectly legitimate and
honest investigation by a police officer of high intelligence and of truly distinguished record,
Superintendent Taylor chose to present a public lie to the people of Ireland. It was enthusiastically
taken up. Furthermore, it cast a pall of pretended deceit over the entire police force."

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/commissioners-missing-phone-undermines-charleton-probe-35765152.html
The tribunal investigating an alleged smear campaign against Garda whistleblower Sgt Maurice McCabe has been "completely undermined" following confirmation that a mobile phone belonging to Garda Commissioner Nóirín O'Sullivan has gone missing.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2531922/twelve-out-of-15-mobile-phones-of-top-garda-officers-used-at-time-of-mccabe-row-are-missing-and-cannot-be-submitted-to-charleton-tribunal/amp/
Twelve out of 15 mobile phones of top Garda officers used at time of McCabe row are missing and cannot be submitted to Charleton Tribunal

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/incredible-that-mobile-phone-belonging-to-garda-commissioner-has-gone-missing-791600.html
Incredible' that mobile phone belonging to Garda Commissioner has gone missing

https://www.todayfm.com/News/12-Phones-Tribunal-Sought-Missing 
Just 3 out of 15 phones requested are surrendered
Just three out of 15 garda mobile phones sought by the Disclosures Tribunal have been surrendered with the remaining 12 missing.

Easy to avoid being fingered when you bury the evidence
Literally

You have just posted all the stories the press was printing, and politicians were spewing about, not to mention all the people on message boards and social media, that Justice Carlton was addressing in the passage above.
Burying evidence helps
You cannot rule on evidence not produced or found

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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #238 on: November 13, 2018, 10:38:15 PM »
Callinan was some bit of stuff...

Any sign of the 5 mobiles and 5 laptops Noirin and her cronies lost?
Maybe she brought them to NYC?

Curious - did you read the tribunal’s findings on the missing phones or are you basing it on what politicians and media (who were being spun lies) said before the findings?
Sorry, you are right.

It was 12 mobile phones.

The tribunals findings on missing phones:

"Superintendent David Taylor spun a deceit that his boss,
Commissioner Martin Callinan, with whom he was on the best of terms for all his time in the press
office of Garda Headquarters, and Nóirín O’Sullivan, who he decided for his own bitter reasons
he didn’t like and was not up to the job, were on the one hand composing, and on the other
approving, derogatory messages about Maurice McCabe. Hence, in his false reasoning, phones
were important. Hence, in his false reasoning phones went missing, Hence, in his false reasoning,
phones behaved mysteriously. Why? Because these phones had evidence implicating the highest
levels of the national police force in a vicious campaign against a defenceless sergeant who wanted
to see no more than an improvement in police standards.
And the reality? This tale was spun about missing phones, telecommunications interference by
Garda Headquarters, texts to politicians and journalists and a trail of evidence that never existed
in order, specifically and deliberately, to destroy the investigation by Chief Superintendent Clerkin
into the behaviour of Superintendent David Taylor. At risk through a perfectly legitimate and
honest investigation by a police officer of high intelligence and of truly distinguished record,
Superintendent Taylor chose to present a public lie to the people of Ireland. It was enthusiastically
taken up. Furthermore, it cast a pall of pretended deceit over the entire police force."

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/commissioners-missing-phone-undermines-charleton-probe-35765152.html
The tribunal investigating an alleged smear campaign against Garda whistleblower Sgt Maurice McCabe has been "completely undermined" following confirmation that a mobile phone belonging to Garda Commissioner Nóirín O'Sullivan has gone missing.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2531922/twelve-out-of-15-mobile-phones-of-top-garda-officers-used-at-time-of-mccabe-row-are-missing-and-cannot-be-submitted-to-charleton-tribunal/amp/
Twelve out of 15 mobile phones of top Garda officers used at time of McCabe row are missing and cannot be submitted to Charleton Tribunal

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/incredible-that-mobile-phone-belonging-to-garda-commissioner-has-gone-missing-791600.html
Incredible' that mobile phone belonging to Garda Commissioner has gone missing

https://www.todayfm.com/News/12-Phones-Tribunal-Sought-Missing 
Just 3 out of 15 phones requested are surrendered
Just three out of 15 garda mobile phones sought by the Disclosures Tribunal have been surrendered with the remaining 12 missing.

Easy to avoid being fingered when you bury the evidence
Literally

You have just posted all the stories the press was printing, and politicians were spewing about, not to mention all the people on message boards and social media, that Justice Carlton was addressing in the passage above.
Burying evidence helps
You cannot rule on evidence not produced or found

No, you make the assumption that because someone no longer has an old work provided phone, they hid it with confidential data. That is what was fed to the press and they lapped it up by someone that was found guilty no less. Could you imagine if all the people whoever had an old workphone that was no longer available (as is typical when you get a new company phone) could be blamed of all and sundry in a public manner without any evidence? The Justice dismissed it and exonerated O'Sullivan. However, I see you are not accepting his findings and going with the view that was discredited.


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Re: The Minister, the Commissioner and the whistleblower
« Reply #239 on: November 14, 2018, 12:06:34 AM »
the Tribunal made clear deliberations that testimony given by her claiming to be completely in the dark to the campaign orchestrated by Callinan was simply not credible.
That was the finding!
And the tribunal only covered her time as assistant commissioner, not when she was in charge of the gardai.