League tables for schools

[EC Unique]

My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!

[johnneycool]

My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!

These 2 schools have the highest rates of dropout when their students go to university. Pushed, mollycoddled and spoon fed all their way through school, then can't cope when it comes to surviving on their own in the big world.

A bit like kids tutored for the 11+/ entrance exam, then if they're lucky(unlucky) enough to get a grammar school place the support isn't there and they struggle.

As someone else touched on Grammar schools are dropping their entry requirements to get bums on seats, but are they streaming the classes accordingly or are the youngsters who'd not normally get a place left to struggle on?

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My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!

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This is class.

What makes it so class is that it would have been easier to type it without the apostrophe. It actually took a bit of effort to get it wrong.

Or it could have been predictive text and he wasn't that arsed about fixing it.

That one!

Yeah NE i was just there for a year with Sr. Immaculata. Didn't have many dealings with her to be fair but she seemed like a nice lady.

McCartney was some boy! He took us for football and I did A Level maths with him.

He's just a different planet from any other teacher. I imagine he wouldn't be allowed around the place today (along with a certain PE teacher). He never had a lesson plan or scheme of work he would just land into the class with a textbook and say "Where did we leave off yesterday" and then proceed to demonstrate how to answer every question in the book!

Here's a question... how many of you enjoyed school and how many hated it? I'd go back in the morning if I could!

[Rois]

Here's a question... how many of you enjoyed school and how many hated it? I'd go back in the morning if I could!

I loved it. 

My sis teaches in Number 3 - it's a top quality school with new buildings and facilities.  Despite being stuck in east Belfast, it's still v difficult to get into.  They will be glad they beat their Belfast rivals. 

[Orior]

These results are very easily rigged by schools.

So they make up that students get or don't get A-C grades?

There are good teachers, and there are bad teachers. The latter may be for a variety of reasons - stress from management, stress from home, lacking of aptitude or just doesn't care.  There are checks and balances to address all these, but sometimes the odd one slips through the net.

[take_yer_points]

My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!

These 2 schools have the highest rates of dropout when their students go to university. Pushed, mollycoddled and spoon fed all their way through school, then can't cope when it comes to surviving on their own in the big world.

Where can you get statistics on dropout from Uni by school? I'd be interested in seeing this - do the universities provide it or DEL so someone?

[stibhan]

These results are very easily rigged by schools.

So they make up that students get or don't get A-C grades?

No, it's more complex than that, obviously. How many students in the school are doing 10 or 11 GCSE's, and how many are doing 5? How many students are being allowed to sit the tests in the school, and how many are turfed out beforehand because their results aren't good enough to keep the numbers up?

[Milltown Row2]

My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!

These 2 schools have the highest rates of dropout when their students go to university. Pushed, mollycoddled and spoon fed all their way through school, then can't cope when it comes to surviving on their own in the big world.

Where can you get statistics on dropout from Uni by school? I'd be interested in seeing this - do the universities provide it or DEL so someone?

DEL I'd imagine, we fill in exit interviews in training colleges which I'd imagine is forward on to DEL through our systems and DEL write up reports during inspections which become public knowledge.

[Milltown Row2]

These results are very easily rigged by schools.

So they make up that students get or don't get A-C grades?

No, it's more complex than that, obviously. How many students in the school are doing 10 or 11 GCSE's, and how many are doing 5? How many students are being allowed to sit the tests in the school, and how many are turfed out beforehand because their results aren't good enough to keep the numbers up?

A lot of students believe it or not are not capable of doing GCSE's so they follow different paths, essential skills and vocational studies, BETEC's and NVQ's. If you as a teacher believe that a student is better off doing another type of exam rather than a GCSE then is it not better to put him through a achievable examination rather than one he can't do.

I don't think the table showed students doing other exams other than GCSE's

Essential skills at level 2 is equivalent to C grade at GCSE level, I don't agree with it and neither do the colleges as the work involved in achieving it is very basic.

[take_yer_points]

My Alma Mater is 2nd .... Derry 1 & 2 leading the way in terms of best school's!

These 2 schools have the highest rates of dropout when their students go to university. Pushed, mollycoddled and spoon fed all their way through school, then can't cope when it comes to surviving on their own in the big world.

Where can you get statistics on dropout from Uni by school? I'd be interested in seeing this - do the universities provide it or DEL so someone?

DEL I'd imagine, we fill in exit interviews in training colleges which I'd imagine is forward on to DEL through our systems and DEL write up reports during inspections which become public knowledge.

I'm not so sure that's how it would work in the university sector, but I could be wrong. I've been involved in the production of university attrition statistics but have never heard of it being produced by the school the student attended. Any statistics I've seen are produced at programme year level, not down to individual level and then grouping those individuals by the school they attended.

For example, the link below gives you statistics for programmes in a school at Jordanstown. The first programme had 16 students in Year 1 in 201112 and 1 dropped out - 6.3% in the Early Leavers % column. I'm not sure how this person who dropped out is related back to their school and is then grouped by school. I'd be very interested in the data though if it could be provided

http://www.ulster.ac.uk/quality/qmau/uuonly/progcms1112.pdf

[FermGael]

These results are very easily rigged by schools.

So they make up that students get or don't get A-C grades?

No, it's more complex than that, obviously. How many students in the school are doing 10 or 11 GCSE's, and how many are doing 5? How many students are being allowed to sit the tests in the school, and how many are turfed out beforehand because their results aren't good enough to keep the numbers up?

A lot of students believe it or not are not capable of doing GCSE's so they follow different paths, essential skills and vocational studies, BETEC's and NVQ's. If you as a teacher believe that a student is better off doing another type of exam rather than a GCSE then is it not better to put him through a achievable examination rather than one he can't do.

I don't think the table showed students doing other exams other than GCSE's

Essential skills at level 2 is equivalent to C grade at GCSE level, I don't agree with it and neither do the colleges as the work involved in achieving it is very basic.

Not in Mathematics.  Was downgraded to a quarter of a GCSE this year

[Milltown Row2]

These results are very easily rigged by schools.

So they make up that students get or don't get A-C grades?

No, it's more complex than that, obviously. How many students in the school are doing 10 or 11 GCSE's, and how many are doing 5? How many students are being allowed to sit the tests in the school, and how many are turfed out beforehand because their results aren't good enough to keep the numbers up?

A lot of students believe it or not are not capable of doing GCSE's so they follow different paths, essential skills and vocational studies, BETEC's and NVQ's. If you as a teacher believe that a student is better off doing another type of exam rather than a GCSE then is it not better to put him through a achievable examination rather than one he can't do.

I don't think the table showed students doing other exams other than GCSE's

Essential skills at level 2 is equivalent to C grade at GCSE level, I don't agree with it and neither do the colleges as the work involved in achieving it is very basic.

Not in Mathematics.  Was downgraded to a quarter of a GCSE this year

As in 2014 or start of term time Sept 2013?

Never heard this

[FermGael]

From last year.

[Milltown Row2]

From last year.

Heard rumours of it didn't realise it was in place, very unfair on ones who completed them last year, but in fairness they are shit, and a student who works hard at getting a C grade in math over two years and a lad who enters a training program and gets a C grade equivalent in essential skills after 6 weeks is ridiculous

[Milltown Row2]

Just on that, I would have thought I would have got some sort of email regarding that, as our students are under the illusion that they are achieving a C grade equivalent.

Have you got a link to that?