JFK murdered 50 years ago this November

[trueblue1234]

So that's it in a nutshell then as per Channel 5 tonight:

Oswald fired first shot, missed and hit road, ricochet hits Kennedy.

Oswald fires second shot, goes through JFK's back and into Gov. Connally.

Secret service agent, George Hickey, in backup car behind JFK car reaches for gun to return fire at Oswald, car jerks forward, he fires gun accidentally and delivers fatal shot to JFK's head.

Done deal and the cover up begins, a tragic accident.  The angles add up to bullet entry to back of JFK's head.  Hickey died in 2005, some story if true.

Here's how it happened ... http://youtu.be/bPEnSSnSoNc

From over 200 witnesses, nobody saw or heard the phantom shot being fired from the smokeless gun.
Yet the theory is called "the smoking gun".

They had 7 or 8 witnesses that said they smelt gunpowder at street level after the shots. Which wouldn't have been from Oswald's gun. Plus a few saw a SS agent with a gun in hand. Including other SS agents.

*I used to think it was all pie in the sky stuff. But there's definitely a few things there that don't add up and conflict. Whether that's enough to jump to the conpiracy theory is another matter. 

[AZOffaly]

If shots were fired, surely it would be normal for a SS man to have a gun in his hand. The first thing they do after shots fired is to draw their own weapon.

[trueblue1234]

If shots were fired, surely it would be normal for a SS man to have a gun in his hand. The first thing they do after shots fired is to draw their own weapon.

But it wouldn't explain the smell of gun powder. The SS claim that there was no shots fired at street level. Then the head SS boyo claimed that there was no automatic weapon in the vehicle. Which conflicted with statements from some of the SS agents in the vehicle.

[deiseach]

They had 7 or 8 witnesses that said they smelt gunpowder at street level after the shots. Which wouldn't have been from Oswald's gun. Plus a few saw a SS agent with a gun in hand. Including other SS agents.

*I used to think it was all pie in the sky stuff. But there's definitely a few things there that don't add up and conflict. Whether that's enough to jump to the conpiracy theory is another matter.

A witness told the Warren Commission that he got the whiff of gunpowder - two minutes after the shooting, 100 yards away from the scene, with the wind blowing in a different direction. In short, eyewitness testimony should be treated with extreme caution.

[trueblue1234]

There were witnesses in the car 3 back from JFK's vehicle that claimed they smelt it as well. Plus witnesses that were along the street.

I'd agree eye witness reports are dodgy. But when read in conjunction with other conflicting reports it makes interesting reading and raises questions.
The SS agent, (Hickey) that raised the gun, claimed that he raised the gun, cocked and loaded the chamber. Where as other SS agents refute this saying that the gun was already cocked and loaded and ready to go, but with the safety on as per protocol.
Then you have the head SS boyo (Can't remember his name) claiming first that there was no automatic weapon in the vehicle at the time, and then changing to say that the SS changed some protocol from that date, (Can't remember if it was to not have an automatic weapon in the vehicle or whether it was that the gun would not be ready to go). Just sounded very suss.

[muppet]

It would hardly be reported on the mainstream media though, would it? All people heard was, ah those poor Kennedy's, they have had their fair share of tragedies, unlucky family etc etc.

Cause of death: Murder
Evidence: Because the mainstream media said it was an accident.

Grade: F

Must try harder

The mainstream media also stated that George W Bush won the US election in 2000, when in fact Al Gore won it. The same MM reported that WTC 7 collapsed BEFORE it actually did. The same MM reported Saudi hijackers killed themselves on 9/11, when most of them were found alive in Saudi Arabia.

I think you get the picture. Then again...

I do get the picture.

An F was to generous.

Are you going to suggest what might have happened, or just stick to claim that what we were told didn't happen, because the media are big fat liars?

Which bit are you referring to?

JFK Junior.

The media said he crashed and died and you say the media are liars.

[Main Street]

So that's it in a nutshell then as per Channel 5 tonight:

Oswald fired first shot, missed and hit road, ricochet hits Kennedy.

Oswald fires second shot, goes through JFK's back and into Gov. Connally.

Secret service agent, George Hickey, in backup car behind JFK car reaches for gun to return fire at Oswald, car jerks forward, he fires gun accidentally and delivers fatal shot to JFK's head.

Done deal and the cover up begins, a tragic accident.  The angles add up to bullet entry to back of JFK's head.  Hickey died in 2005, some story if true.

Here's how it happened ... http://youtu.be/bPEnSSnSoNc

From over 200 witnesses, nobody saw or heard the phantom shot being fired from the smokeless gun.
Yet the theory is called "the smoking gun".

They had 7 or 8 witnesses that said they smelt gunpowder at street level after the shots. Which wouldn't have been from Oswald's gun. Plus a few saw a SS agent with a gun in hand. Including other SS agents.

*I used to think it was all pie in the sky stuff. But there's definitely a few things there that don't add up and conflict. Whether that's enough to jump to the conpiracy theory is another matter.

I'd say most people people come into this event thinking just how did they manage to stitch up Oswald and then gradually move over to accepting the evidence that he acted alone on the day, as being the most plausible, to the point where they become reformed JFK conspiracy theorists, pouring ice cold water on what they use think had some merit.

BTW,  some smelt powder, some saw smoke, but there is little to connect that evidence to the agent's gun supposedly firing a shot, which nobody witnessed or even pointed in the general direction that it was a possibility that the gunshot noise was  from the  agent's car.
As theories go, it's interesting  re the possibility and the ballistics but falls totally flat with corroboration after that.

[BennyCake]

It would hardly be reported on the mainstream media though, would it? All people heard was, ah those poor Kennedy's, they have had their fair share of tragedies, unlucky family etc etc.

Cause of death: Murder
Evidence: Because the mainstream media said it was an accident.

Grade: F

Must try harder

The mainstream media also stated that George W Bush won the US election in 2000, when in fact Al Gore won it. The same MM reported that WTC 7 collapsed BEFORE it actually did. The same MM reported Saudi hijackers killed themselves on 9/11, when most of them were found alive in Saudi Arabia.

I think you get the picture. Then again...

I do get the picture.

An F was to generous.

Are you going to suggest what might have happened, or just stick to claim that what we were told didn't happen, because the media are big fat liars?

Which bit are you referring to?

JFK Junior.

The media said he crashed and died and you say the media are liars.

They spun stories like JFK Jr was an inexperienced pilot, he was reckless etc. He was very experienced and confident pilot. The plane nose-dived suddenly, and the fuel was switched off. A brainwashed co-pilot was the cause. The search team were deliberately sent in the wrong direction, so that even if they did survive the crash, the freezing temperatures would certainly finish them off.

Of course the evidence of this co-pilot was got rid of to make it look like it was JFK Jr's recklessness/inexperience that caused the crash. The plane contacted air traffic control updating them a few times, but of course this was denied. George W Bush went missing the day of the crash for 3 days. He had no alibi, and has never been questioned as to where he was. Obviously he was overseeing the whole thing.

Regardless of all that, the main thing was that JFK Jr had to be taken out. He was outspoken about his fathers murder, and wanted to bring those responsible to justice, one of them being Bush senior. He would have run for president, and as he was a charismatic, good looking guy, and a Kennedy, he would have been a popular choice. But hes taken out, and any hope of an investigation into JFK's assassination dies with him. And who ends up as president a short time later? Bush junior.

[trueblue1234]

So that's it in a nutshell then as per Channel 5 tonight:

Oswald fired first shot, missed and hit road, ricochet hits Kennedy.

Oswald fires second shot, goes through JFK's back and into Gov. Connally.

Secret service agent, George Hickey, in backup car behind JFK car reaches for gun to return fire at Oswald, car jerks forward, he fires gun accidentally and delivers fatal shot to JFK's head.

Done deal and the cover up begins, a tragic accident.  The angles add up to bullet entry to back of JFK's head.  Hickey died in 2005, some story if true.

Here's how it happened ... http://youtu.be/bPEnSSnSoNc

From over 200 witnesses, nobody saw or heard the phantom shot being fired from the smokeless gun.
Yet the theory is called "the smoking gun".

They had 7 or 8 witnesses that said they smelt gunpowder at street level after the shots. Which wouldn't have been from Oswald's gun. Plus a few saw a SS agent with a gun in hand. Including other SS agents.

*I used to think it was all pie in the sky stuff. But there's definitely a few things there that don't add up and conflict. Whether that's enough to jump to the conpiracy theory is another matter.

I'd say most people people come into this event thinking just how did they manage to stitch up Oswald and then gradually move over to accepting the evidence that he acted alone on the day, as being the most plausible, to the point where they become reformed JFK conspiracy theorists, pouring ice cold water on what they use think had some merit.
BTW,  some smelt powder, some saw smoke, but there is little to connect that evidence to the agent's gun supposedly firing a shot, which nobody witnessed or even pointed in the general direction that it was a possibility that the gunshot noise was  from the  agent's car.
As theories go, it's interesting  re the possibility and the ballistics but falls totally flat with corroboration after that.

I'm actually nearly the opposite    I used to laugh at the conpiracy theorists, thinking that it was just nonsense, that it couldn't possibily have happened. Now, I'm not quite in the "Had to be a conspiracy" camp yet, but there's enough small questions there to make me wonder.

[nrico2006]

It would hardly be reported on the mainstream media though, would it? All people heard was, ah those poor Kennedy's, they have had their fair share of tragedies, unlucky family etc etc.

Cause of death: Murder
Evidence: Because the mainstream media said it was an accident.

Grade: F

Must try harder

The mainstream media also stated that George W Bush won the US election in 2000, when in fact Al Gore won it. The same MM reported that WTC 7 collapsed BEFORE it actually did. The same MM reported Saudi hijackers killed themselves on 9/11, when most of them were found alive in Saudi Arabia.

I think you get the picture. Then again...

I do get the picture.

An F was to generous.

Are you going to suggest what might have happened, or just stick to claim that what we were told didn't happen, because the media are big fat liars?

Which bit are you referring to?

JFK Junior.

The media said he crashed and died and you say the media are liars.

They spun stories like JFK Jr was an inexperienced pilot, he was reckless etc. He was very experienced and confident pilot. The plane nose-dived suddenly, and the fuel was switched off. A brainwashed co-pilot was the cause. The search team were deliberately sent in the wrong direction, so that even if they did survive the crash, the freezing temperatures would certainly finish them off.

Of course the evidence of this co-pilot was got rid of to make it look like it was JFK Jr's recklessness/inexperience that caused the crash. The plane contacted air traffic control updating them a few times, but of course this was denied. George W Bush went missing the day of the crash for 3 days. He had no alibi, and has never been questioned as to where he was. Obviously he was overseeing the whole thing.

Regardless of all that, the main thing was that JFK Jr had to be taken out. He was outspoken about his fathers murder, and wanted to bring those responsible to justice, one of them being Bush senior. He would have run for president, and as he was a charismatic, good looking guy, and a Kennedy, he would have been a popular choice. But hes taken out, and any hope of an investigation into JFK's assassination dies with him. And who ends up as president a short time later? Bush junior.

Are you for real?

[deiseach]

The idea that JFK Jr was interested in becoming President, capable of being President, or likely to be elected President, is utterly laughable.

[AZOffaly]

Yeah, they don't do dynasties like that in Americ.... oh, wait.

[BennyCake]

The idea that JFK Jr was interested in becoming President, capable of being President, or likely to be elected President, is utterly laughable.

The fact that idiot Bush actually was President, is even more laughable. But yes, part of what you say is true, because they made sure that he wouldn't get to the point where he would run for president.

Nrico, nah I'm just having a laugh.

[muppet]

They spun stories like JFK Jr was an inexperienced pilot, he was reckless etc. He was very experienced and confident pilot. The plane nose-dived suddenly, and the fuel was switched off. A brainwashed co-pilot was the cause. The search team were deliberately sent in the wrong direction, so that even if they did survive the crash, the freezing temperatures would certainly finish them off.

Of course the evidence of this co-pilot was got rid of to make it look like it was JFK Jr's recklessness/inexperience that caused the crash. The plane contacted air traffic control updating them a few times, but of course this was denied. George W Bush went missing the day of the crash for 3 days. He had no alibi, and has never been questioned as to where he was. Obviously he was overseeing the whole thing.

1. JFK Junior's log book stated that he had 220 hours as of the end of 1998. He died the following July. He was a complete novice as a pilot.

2. He didn't have an Instrument Rating which meant he could only legally fly when the weather was particularly good. This isn't usually a problem in the States, however many inexperienced pilots overestimate themselves and underestimate the weather.

3. There was no co-pilot, the aircraft only had JFK Jr, his wife and her sister on board. The Saratoga he owned was designed for single pilot operation.

4. Please stop now.

[deiseach]

4. Please stop now.

I'm going to follow this particular piece of advise (until I choose not to).