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Is it right that Dublin got 7 million to implement a plan to dominate the GAA World?

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #735 on: September 17, 2018, 12:54:59 PM »
It's one of the funniest defences of the unfair advantages Dublin have and it's one that gets the Dubs in a real muddle.

The population of 1.3 million doesn't count as an advantage they say. That's because the Dubs play loads of other sports, rugby, soccer etc, apparently these sports aren't available to kids outside Dublin! Then they say that the 1.3 million count includes tonnes of foreigners and culchies, apparently foreigners don't live in any other county and culchies always remain in their own counties!

This is where it gets really funny though. After spouting on about how their population isn't an advantage, you ask them about the millions of euro they receive every year off all of us. What's their reply? We need the money because of our huge population!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Now read it back, really carefully, and you will see ... the answer is in your own post.

Like I said, a lot of thicks on this thread.

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #736 on: September 17, 2018, 01:18:51 PM »
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

I want to beat Fingal or South Dublin, y’know actual existing counties in an inter-county sport. That’s natural.

Not the rigged game that is fûcking rural counties like Roscommon or Mayo lining up to the take their next flaking from an amalgamation of four counties with a population greater than our province.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Dublin

We're not an amalgamation, those "counties" were created as administrative areas. In the 90s. Not 1890s. 1990s.

Lot of thicks on the board about Dublin these days. Apparently, pointing that out means you are a financial doper, cheat, one-eyed etc.
I don't quite follow you here.I don't really want to spoil the fun and would prefer to let the pair of you at it. But, looking at the Wikipedia article you referenced, I find Dublin refereed to as a former county.
Furthermore, "Prior to 1994 County Dublin was also an administrative unit covering the whole county outside of Dublin City Council." By my reckoniing there was, in effect two local adminstration units before 1994.
Further on, this is part of what you'll find:
"The total population of the three aforementioned counties and Dublin city was 1,345,402 according to the census of 2016."
All counties were created to simplify the process of facilitating local administration and Dublin was no exception, beginning with those created by Kiing John after the Norman invasion with the western ones, "THe Composition of Connaught," in the late 1500s.
All that's heavy going but the fact is the division of Dublin County into three separate local administration units by the legal authority of the day, makes each of them a county. I mean they were created by the same process that created County Dublin in the first place.
(Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so.)

Dublin County and Dublin County Football team existed before the creation of these administrative areas. So neither can be considered an amalgamation 4 counties and it is moronic and/or intellectually dishonest to say that they are.

Like I said, a lot of thicks on this thread
There sure are a lot of thickos on this board and by any reasonable criterion, you are best qualified to act as grand marshal if they were ever to parade their ignorance.

You referenced a Wikipedia article which begins with the following sentence:
“County Dublin (Irish: Contae Bhaile Átha Cliath or Contae Átha Cliath) is a former county in Ireland.”
Why refer to an article from anywhere if you choose to ignore the opening statement?
Sarcasm, it is said, is the lowest form of wit and when you mix in a big dollop of wilful ignorance, you get a pretty toxic combination.
Over a period of time, Ireland was shired or divided into counties for local administration purposes and Dublin was no exception. In 1994, Dublin was further subdivided with Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin, constituted as local government units. Unless you choose to defy the authority of Oireachtas na h-Eireann, they are therefore counties.
In case this hasn’t sunk in yet, you could read another sentence from the Wikipedia article. Here it is, in case you can’t find it:
In 1994 Dublin County Council was abolished and replaced with three separate county councils: Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin.”
All that should be clear to anyone whose first language is English but, just in case you are not one of those, the following excerpt may drive the point home that you are spouting nonsense. “The total population of the three aforementioned counties and Dublin city was 1,345,402 according to the census of 2016.”

Like you say there are a lot of thicks on the board and you sure are best qualified to state this.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #737 on: September 17, 2018, 01:37:55 PM »
What is the answer to the question - how many counties are there in Ireland?

What is the answer to the question - how many county councils and administrative areas are there in Ireland?

This is arithmetic for slow learners.

As for my original post, I pointed out the meaning of the word "amalgamation". You obviously missed that.

Not to labour the point, but you are now arguing that there is more than 32 counties in Ireland, and that Dublin county and football team is an amalgamation of four existing counties.

Like I said, a lot of thicks on this board.


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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #738 on: September 17, 2018, 01:40:04 PM »
"In 1994, Dublin was further subdivided with Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin, constituted as local government units."

You lads are making an absolute show of yourselves.


 

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #739 on: September 17, 2018, 01:40:28 PM »
Dublin will never be split unless and until we start winning hurling All Irelands too. The traditional hurling counties wouldn't put up with a hurling 4-in-a-row, unlike the football counties, who are much more sporting and gracious!

 

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #740 on: September 17, 2018, 02:25:52 PM »
"In 1994, Dublin was further subdivided with Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin, constituted as local government units."

You lads are making an absolute show of yourselves.
You still don't get the message.
Counties are local government units.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #741 on: September 17, 2018, 03:01:13 PM »
It's one of the funniest defences of the unfair advantages Dublin have and it's one that gets the Dubs in a real muddle.

The population of 1.3 million doesn't count as an advantage they say. That's because the Dubs play loads of other sports, rugby, soccer etc, apparently these sports aren't available to kids outside Dublin! Then they say that the 1.3 million count includes tonnes of foreigners and culchies, apparently foreigners don't live in any other county and culchies always remain in their own counties!

This is where it gets really funny though. After spouting on about how their population isn't an advantage, you ask them about the millions of euro they receive every year off all of us. What's their reply? We need the money because of our huge population!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Now read it back, really carefully, and you will see ... the answer is in your own post.

Like I said, a lot of thicks on this thread.

 ;D This one is just going around abusing everyone. The answer to what? You're bamboozling yourself!

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #742 on: September 17, 2018, 03:04:35 PM »
We've come to the stage where discussing this with Dubs is completely pointless. We have to take it out of their hands. Let's make sure our county boards are pushing this at congress and in communication with HQ. The farce has gone on for too long. Dublin must be split or our games are going to ruin!

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #743 on: September 17, 2018, 03:26:13 PM »
"In 1994, Dublin was further subdivided with Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin, constituted as local government units."

You lads are making an absolute show of yourselves.


Don’t feed the trolls. Dublin-hating has been a way of life since Kevin Heffernan was a boy. Let them stew in their own bile.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #744 on: September 17, 2018, 05:13:42 PM »


Don’t feed the trolls. Dublin-hating has been a way of life since Kevin Heffernan was a boy. Let them stew in their own bile.

 ;D Dub hating? You get millions of euro off all of us, we've bought you 6 All Ireland's in 8 years and 54 titles in total since 2005. Where's the hate in that? Show us some gratitude!!

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #745 on: September 17, 2018, 05:42:27 PM »
"In 1994, Dublin was further subdivided with Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin, constituted as local government units."

You lads are making an absolute show of yourselves.
You still don't get the message.
Counties are local government units.

Good jaysis.

In the Republic of Ireland there are
26 County Councils
3 City Councils
2 City and County Councils

Which adds up to 31 LAUs (Local Authority Units) for 26 Counties.

I look forward to the case you make for splitting Galway and Cork based on their local government arrangements.

This is really embarrassing stuff lads.

There are issues for Dublin and the other 31 (that's 31 counties folks) with regard to fair funding (and what counties should be doing with that funding). But the reason Dubs fans aren't engaging with you is not because of your devastating rhetoric, but because ye constantly, constantly, undermine yourselves with transparent lies and ignorance. 31 counties in the Republic! Lord jaysis.

As I said earlier, idiocy does not deserve to be coddled.


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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #746 on: September 17, 2018, 05:51:11 PM »
1.35 million vs 30 to 150k.
No wonder ye want to keep the status quo.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #747 on: September 17, 2018, 06:11:05 PM »
"In 1994, Dublin was further subdivided with Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin, constituted as local government units."

You lads are making an absolute show of yourselves.


Don’t feed the trolls. Dublin-hating has been a way of life since Kevin Heffernan was a boy. Let them stew in their own bile.
You are way off the mark here.
As far as GAA affairs are concerned, there has been no radical change to what was regarded as “County Dublin” when the GAA was founded and I never inferred that there had been any. The local government areas, Dublin city and county as it was then are still “Dublin” according to the rules and regulations of the GAA - and as far as I am concerned also.
GIven demographic and political changes taking place in our country, I cannot see Dublin remaining as one unit , if the GAA is to survive.
However, that is a separate issue and it has nothing to do with what we are discussing here.
The GAA is not obliged to observe political boundaries for any reason, including local government administration. Take Ballaghadereen as an example.
According to the law of the land, it is in County Roscommmon but for GAA purposes it is a Mayo club.
The GAA is not obliged to recognise ecclesiastical boundaries either. The Parish Rule that applies to the rest of the country is not observed in Dublin and this doesn’t change Dublin’s status in any way.
Now, what your supercilious buddy claimed when he rubbished Rossfan’s post is not true What was once Dublin County, as far as local and national administration affairs are concerned, has been split into three separate counties but this has no bearing on what the GAA as a body thinks.
If he bothered to read the article he used as a reference for his erudite contribution to the discussion, he’d find that rural county Dublin, as it was pre-1994, has indeed been split into three distinct local government regions, each with its own COUNTY council.
Now, if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, ergo, it’s a duck!
And using language best suited to a schoolyard doesn’t change the fact that Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin meet the legal requirement to merit county status.
This doesn’t bother the GAA nor should it but if one wanted to use sarcasm as a way of making your points, they try at least to get their facts right.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #748 on: September 17, 2018, 06:28:44 PM »
"In 1994, Dublin was further subdivided with Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin, constituted as local government units."

You lads are making an absolute show of yourselves.
You still don't get the message.
Counties are local government units.
God between us and small farms!
I’d get more return for my efforts if I tried to push a bullock uphill with a rope.
As far as the real world is concerned there are now 28 counties in the republic.
That’s according to the article you referenced to backup your original claims.
Here is the relevant excerpt one more time.
“In 1994 Dublin County Council was abolished and replaced with three separate county councils: Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin.
And it gets better, the further you go:
“The total population of the three aforementioned counties and Dublin city was 1,345,402 according to the census of 2016.”
My last shot at it is this, The GAA is perfectly entitled to disregard any or all of the above but that doesn’t alter the fact that Rossfan was right in the first place.
Now, if you have anything constructive to ass to the argument, I’ll be happy to consider it but if you persist in throwing your rattle out of your pram and resorting to cheap personal insults, I won’t pamper you any further.


Good jaysis.

In the Republic of Ireland there are
26 County Councils
3 City Councils
2 City and County Councils

Which adds up to 31 LAUs (Local Authority Units) for 26 Counties.

I look forward to the case you make for splitting Galway and Cork based on their local government arrangements.

This is really embarrassing stuff lads.

There are issues for Dublin and the other 31 (that's 31 counties folks) with regard to fair funding (and what counties should be doing with that funding). But the reason Dubs fans aren't engaging with you is not because of your devastating rhetoric, but because ye constantly, constantly, undermine yourselves with transparent lies and ignorance. 31 counties in the Republic! Lord jaysis.

As I said earlier, idiocy does not deserve to be coddled.
God between us and small farms!  :D :D :D
I’d get more return for my efforts if I tried to push a bullock uphill with a rope.
As far as the real world is concerned there are now 28 counties in the republic.
That’s according to the article you referenced to backup your original claims.
Here is the relevant excerpt one more time.
“In 1994 Dublin County Council was abolished and replaced with three separate county councils: Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin.
And it gets better, the further you go:
“The total population of the three aforementioned counties and Dublin city was 1,345,402 according to the census of 2016.”
My last shot at it is this, The GAA is perfectly entitled to disregard any or all of the above but that doesn’t alter the fact that Rossfan was right in the first place.
Now, if you have anything constructive to ass to the argument, I’ll be happy to consider it but if you persist in throwing your rattle out of your pram and resorting to cheap personal insults, I won’t pamper you any further.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #749 on: September 18, 2018, 01:06:23 AM »
I was arguing with syferus over his claim that Dublin was an amalgamation of four different counties- which is neither factually or grammatically correct.

The article quoted gave the date of the creation of those 4 LAUs in Dublin, which was i used it. The fact that it correctly labels them as county councils than erroneously labels them as counties is not my problem. Everyone with half a brain knows the difference between a LAU and an actual county. Google local government in Ireland and see what you find.

And now you are back tracking because you realise how stupid equating LAUs and actual counties are. You did tell us that the oireachtas had made them counties didn't you?

Good jaysis. Argue all you want about Dublin's funding but when i see morons saying Dublin should be split because Dublin is an amalgamation of 4 counties, i'll call it and them out for the stupidity it is.

You jumped on the wrong bandwagon Lar. There are a lot of thicks on this board