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Is it right that Dublin got 7 million to implement a plan to dominate the GAA World?

Yes
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Jinxy

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #705 on: September 13, 2018, 03:39:42 PM »
I don't want Dublin to be split.
Yes, they have a massive population but without a significant increase in the number of clubs, their playing numbers at adult level will stay broadly similar.
It does mean that the adult first team squad of 30 in every club is drawn from a larger talent pool, but in absolute terms they don't have a massive advantage in playing numbers relative to other 'big' counties like Cork.
The natural advantages that Dublin has over other counties does not make them invincible.
The unnatural advantages however...
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #706 on: September 13, 2018, 04:31:18 PM »
If people want Dublin split to make things fair why are they asking for a 3 or 4 way split? If 1.3million people live there to make it on par with Monaghan 60k, Dublin should in theory be split nearly 22 times?



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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #707 on: September 13, 2018, 04:47:30 PM »
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #708 on: September 13, 2018, 06:14:53 PM »
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

I think AI semi-finals need to be played in Croker due to capacity. It's the home league games that have to be moved somewhere else as well as Leinster championship games up to the final.

Is it not possible to bump Parnell Park up to 18 or 20k capacity?

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #709 on: September 13, 2018, 06:20:47 PM »
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

I want to beat Fingal or South Dublin, y’know actual existing counties in an inter-county sport. That’s natural.

Not the rigged game that is fûcking rural counties like Roscommon or Mayo lining up to the take their next flaking from an amalgamation of four counties with a population greater than our province.

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #710 on: September 13, 2018, 06:27:48 PM »
Over twice the populaction of our Provincheen.
And we have socceryball and rubby here too.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #711 on: September 13, 2018, 06:35:36 PM »
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

I want to beat Fingal or South Dublin, y’know actual existing counties in an inter-county sport. That’s natural.

Not the rigged game that is fûcking rural counties like Roscommon or Mayo lining up to the take their next flaking from an amalgamation of four counties with a population greater than our province.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Dublin

We're not an amalgamation, those "counties" were created as administrative areas. In the 90s. Not 1890s. 1990s.

Lot of thicks on the board about Dublin these days. Apparently, pointing that out means you are a financial doper, cheat, one-eyed etc.

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #712 on: September 13, 2018, 06:37:59 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Dublin

We're not an amalgamation, those "counties" were created as administrative areas. In the 90s. Not 1890s. 1990s.

Lot of thicks on the board about Dublin these days. Apparently, pointing that out means you are a financial doper, cheat, one-eyed etc.

No, this is Dublin's financial doping:



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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #713 on: September 14, 2018, 12:08:43 PM »
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

Fair enough. I agree, but wait until Mayo's population dips below 100,000 and Dublin's tops 2,000,000 - have the GAA any plan for when that happens?
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #714 on: September 14, 2018, 12:13:50 PM »
£66K in deposit interest means a fair few quid in the bank !

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #715 on: September 14, 2018, 01:42:59 PM »
I don't want Dublin to be split.
Yes, they have a massive population but without a significant increase in the number of clubs, their playing numbers at adult level will stay broadly similar.
It does mean that the adult first team squad of 30 in every club is drawn from a larger talent pool, but in absolute terms they don't have a massive advantage in playing numbers relative to other 'big' counties like Cork.
The natural advantages that Dublin has over other counties does not make them invincible.
The unnatural advantages however...
Fair play Jinxy, you got to the crux of the problem.
The way the Dublin club system are structured is, paradoxically, the county's greatest strength and, at the same time, its greatest weakness. It depends on what you want.
I mean if you start off with about one third of the republic's population, shoehorned into one of the smallest counties in the
country and at the same time, easily the most populous and prosperous one and if the club system is underpinned by a relatively small number of very large clubs, you have the most efficient way of discovering the most talented players from whom the county team is selected.
In horse racing terms, if the horses from the Dublin stable were not mopping up everything in sight, there would be a stewards' enquiry.
Of course, this Dublin team is the most skilful and talented side since the GAA was founded - how could it be otherwise?
Only a small percentage of those who join any club at underage level will make it to the top to play senior football for their particular club.
From there, the county panel is chosen. Throw in the fact that a very efficient, organised talent spotting system will identify the creme de la creme at u20 level or sooner, and the coaching routine from there upwards is the best there is and there can be
only one possible outcome.
I'm not being anti-Dub in any way when I say this, facts are facts no matter how you look at them.
But all this comes at a considerable cost; the drop out rate is phenomenal; easily the highest of all counties north or south.
Some Dublin clubs have been identified as having more juveniles than a number of entire counties but only a small number will ever make it to the top- a matter of the survival of the fittest.
But are huge numbers of club players who will never get near selection for the county team but who would get starting places on many other intercounty teams. Addd in thhe fact that huge clubs are not the way to entice kids to played for them. They are too impersonal for youngsters at the time of life when peers are the most important influences in their lives.

I can't fully understand either why Dublin clubs need a huge injection of funds from anywhere including Central Council in order to survive.  That they can't is crystal clear but the fact that they depend on it for survival is equally obvious.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #716 on: September 14, 2018, 04:04:03 PM »
As I said before.
Money absolutely should be spent in Dublin encouraging kids to take up gaelic games, although of course similar money should be spent in Kildare, Belfast, Derry, Cork etc. But that money must not be allowed create either super clubs or a super county which is on a different scale than the rest of the GAA.

The present Dublin monster should have twice the clubs and three or four times the number county teams.
People cannot just ignore the elephant in the room.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #717 on: September 14, 2018, 04:12:32 PM »
As I said before.
Money absolutely should be spent in Dublin encouraging kids to take up gaelic games, although of course similar money should be spent in Kildare, Belfast, Derry, Cork etc. But that money must not be allowed create either super clubs or a super county which is on a different scale than the rest of the GAA.

The present Dublin monster should have twice the clubs and three or four times the number county teams.
People cannot just ignore the elephant in the room.

Nail on head

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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #718 on: September 14, 2018, 05:41:07 PM »
I agree with the above and at this stage we have to take it out of Dublin's hands. We can see with their media campaign, statements from former players, supporters etc that they have no intention of even admitting the reality of the situation even though it's clear for all of us to see.
The rest of us must stand together and put a stop to it. The current President from Dublin is a supporter of kicking the weaker counties into a losers competition. We can't let this happen. It would be the death knell for Gaelic Football in these counties. Previous B competitions have not worked and the interest in them would be zero. Players will not join up for the farce and the standards would drop in all those counties.

It would end up like hurling where you have a championship with only 9 or 10 competing seriously and the others can never catch up. There is an example in hurling however in which a solution can be found to the lack of competitive matches. One county was way behind the level of the top teams but now they compete at the top level, have won a provincial championship and a national league. That county is Dublin. They were at the same level as Laois, Antrim and even Westmeath beat them in 2006.
What happened? Millions of euro got pumped into Dublin GAA, paid coaches in huge numbers went to clubs, elite player pathways were created. They are now realistic All Ireland contenders and a Dublin club team has won the previous 2 All Ireland's. It's been a complete turnaround.

This is the template, this is how you make teams competitive. You fund them but you must fund them all. It has to be fair and equitable. This picking specific counties or the East Leinster plan is complete nonsense. And it's not just a case of throwing money at counties and letting them away with it. That would be foolish. In Dublin, highly paid officials were put in place to oversee the spending, to ensure it was being used wisely and standards were met. This would have to be repeated across the country. If targets and standards aren't being met then you get your funding cut.

Now, what happens in Dublin you ask? Obviously they must be split but everyone shouldn't look at this negatively, including the Dubs. The four way split will obviously make county teams of Fingal, Dún Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin and Dublin City. They will all get a fair share of the Games Development fund, as will every other county. These smaller zones will make it easier to promote GAA in our capital. They can take on the challenges facing them head on. The fight against rugby, soccer and in the city centre it could mean great news in the fight against drugs.
Other benefits include a far higher number of players will get access to inter county games, at both underage and senior level. It will also create 4 new local rivalries which will make for very entertaining games and it will have 4 new entrants in the Provincial and All Ireland championships as well as the league of course. The benefits are massive so this should be embraced.

Whatever we do, we must ensure that every county enters our competitions on an equal footing. We're heading down the wrong road at present and we must alter course before it's too late.
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Re: Time to Split Dublin
« Reply #719 on: September 14, 2018, 06:04:37 PM »
One question - when were there more than 9 or 10 teams seriously competing in the Hurling Championship?
3 Counties have won about 80% of them.
Wouldn't we love to have even 6 in the football! !
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