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Who is the most obsessed about Dublin GAA

Dinny Breen
5 (16.1%)
Syfin
11 (35.5%)
From the Bunker
5 (16.1%)
Pricey Reilly
6 (19.4%)
RossFan
4 (12.9%)

Total Members Voted: 28

Voting closes: September 12, 2019, 04:00:01 PM

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Re: Why are Posters obsessed about Dublin GAA??
« Reply #105 on: September 21, 2018, 07:26:41 PM »
Because hard work and talent has nothing to do with it

54 titles since 2005 in all grades and levels. 14 in the previous 13 years. And it just so happened that the enormous funding disparity begun 13 years ago. Some sort of freak coincidence or instringently linked? Let's get real here. It's all bought. I haven't even added in the club titles for clubs in Dublin, it's gone up from 4 to 17 in the past 13 years compared to the 13 before.
I'd like a good laugh so can anyone come up with a reasonable explanation for the huge increase in titles since 2005 which coincided with the huge increase in funding for Dublin GAA?

So you think hard work and talent have no bearing on this at all? And cut the bought titles shite will ye
I have no problem whatever with your question but you follow up is a bit iffy. It takes hard work and training to win titles of any sort and having talented young players helps a lot too. But all that is not the full story, as some Dubs claim.
I mean why does a side full of talented players need to train harder than any other county when there are plenty of talented players available?  A second string Dub side would probably beat any other team in the country.
Is the reason why they can train harder and  for longer because they donít have to travel long distance to their training grounds?
Thatís the usual answer youíll get from Dublin supporters here. However, thatís not the full story.  The Dublin clubs are structured in a way thatís biased towards the gifted players.
The way they operate can be compared to a pyramid- scores, maybe hundreds, of young players but only be one senior side at the top.
All sorts of field sports have a wastage rate when players drop out as they get older but the bigger the club, the more that leave is because there are no places for them as they move up the age levels.
In other words, some leave because they want to but many leave because they have to.
As Hound pointed out, the standard of Dublin club football is very high. It couldnít be otherwise as only the better ones are kept as the players move up a grade.
As well as that they have an excellent scouting system where gifted players are spotted at an early stage of their careers are discovered and get extra coaching to develop their talent long before they get to player in adult competitions.
No wonder Dublin has so many youngsters pressing inclusion on the senior panel. That means in turn that those already on the team are always in fear of losing their places if they donít train hard.
While their operate the megaclub system, Dublin will never be short of players who work hard and of talented younger ones trying to knock them out of their way.

The point of my follow up is that Procey seemingly discounts hard work and talent from contributing to the success of this Dublin team. Do I think the money they get is unfair? I do. Does money automatically guarantee success ? It doesnít. Is it the sole reason for Dublinís success? Certainly not

You make good points regarding travel and what not and Dublin undoubtedly have other natural advantages over other counties. We canít be blaming them for that tho can we?
have no problem whatever with what you say. But as an old says goes, the devil is in the detail.
I accept that Dublin footballers have an incredible work ethos and train harder and longer than any other team in the land. Iíd do the same if I was a Dublin panellist, knowing damn well that my next game could be my last.
Like I  said, the Dublin club structure is designed to discover and develop the more talented players from an early age up to the highest level they can possibly get to. Itís like sifting wheat from chaff as their country cousins might put it. The chaff, the less talented players, get cast aside.
That means that there are plenty of top class club players whoíd get a place on most other intercounty teams but will never get close to a place on the Dub panel.
Itís alright saying that Dublin panellists train very hard but the impression that they do all their hoofing about at the Fingallians club grounds is wide of the mark.
About a fortnight ago, a controversy erupted when the Dublin team management announced it was removing s the ďadvanced training machineryĒ that that had been left with the National Sports Complex in Abbotstown. What bugs me a little is this: the machinery was taken back when the Dubs couldnít use it any time they wanted to.
They have hardly moved this gear out to Fingallians so where is it now and what use is it to the Dub footballers? Their training regime is a bit more complicated that you might think from what Dub fans here are saying.
I say, deal with a full deck or put the cards away.Thereís no point in half telling the truth.
My main gripe with the Dubs is that their club  system is totally unsuited when it comes to widening their playing and support base.
If you were to take a typical Dublin club and split it in two, one immediate advantage is that twice as many players could make it to the highest level possible - senior team for many.  Twice as many players would stay on until they would be assets to the club- volunteer work, fundraising socialising etc.
The massive subventions of funds those clubs need to stay in operation is an indication that all is not well at club level and never will be as long as you have, say, one club to cater for a population the entire size of some other counties.
THe irony is that much of the money GAA HQ does out to counties for development come for the gate receipts the Dubs generate every time they play.
They are attractive to watch and the association needs the Dubs for the colour and excitement that follows them and the money they earn for th association.
So, I know we need the Dubs in top order for the good of the entire association. But the downside is that you also need a few other teams capable of holding their own with the Dubs.
Few people would be prepared to pay premium prices to go see the Dubs wipe the floor with the opposition.
All present indications would show that this isnít going to happen. Itís way of avoiding meltdown by ignoring it and that can only be a short term measure.
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Re: Why are Posters obsessed about Dublin GAA??
« Reply #106 on: September 21, 2018, 09:36:20 PM »
Because hard work and talent has nothing to do with it

54 titles since 2005 in all grades and levels. 14 in the previous 13 years. And it just so happened that the enormous funding disparity begun 13 years ago. Some sort of freak coincidence or instringently linked? Let's get real here. It's all bought. I haven't even added in the club titles for clubs in Dublin, it's gone up from 4 to 17 in the past 13 years compared to the 13 before.
I'd like a good laugh so can anyone come up with a reasonable explanation for the huge increase in titles since 2005 which coincided with the huge increase in funding for Dublin GAA?

So you think hard work and talent have no bearing on this at all? And cut the bought titles shite will ye
I have no problem whatever with your question but you follow up is a bit iffy. It takes hard work and training to win titles of any sort and having talented young players helps a lot too. But all that is not the full story, as some Dubs claim.
I mean why does a side full of talented players need to train harder than any other county when there are plenty of talented players available?  A second string Dub side would probably beat any other team in the country.
Is the reason why they can train harder and  for longer because they donít have to travel long distance to their training grounds?
Thatís the usual answer youíll get from Dublin supporters here. However, thatís not the full story.  The Dublin clubs are structured in a way thatís biased towards the gifted players.
The way they operate can be compared to a pyramid- scores, maybe hundreds, of young players but only be one senior side at the top.
All sorts of field sports have a wastage rate when players drop out as they get older but the bigger the club, the more that leave is because there are no places for them as they move up the age levels.
In other words, some leave because they want to but many leave because they have to.
As Hound pointed out, the standard of Dublin club football is very high. It couldnít be otherwise as only the better ones are kept as the players move up a grade.
As well as that they have an excellent scouting system where gifted players are spotted at an early stage of their careers are discovered and get extra coaching to develop their talent long before they get to player in adult competitions.
No wonder Dublin has so many youngsters pressing inclusion on the senior panel. That means in turn that those already on the team are always in fear of losing their places if they donít train hard.
While their operate the megaclub system, Dublin will never be short of players who work hard and of talented younger ones trying to knock them out of their way.

The point of my follow up is that Procey seemingly discounts hard work and talent from contributing to the success of this Dublin team. Do I think the money they get is unfair? I do. Does money automatically guarantee success ? It doesnít. Is it the sole reason for Dublinís success? Certainly not

You make good points regarding travel and what not and Dublin undoubtedly have other natural advantages over other counties. We canít be blaming them for that tho can we?
have no problem whatever with what you say. But as an old says goes, the devil is in the detail.
I accept that Dublin footballers have an incredible work ethos and train harder and longer than any other team in the land. Iíd do the same if I was a Dublin panellist, knowing damn well that my next game could be my last.
Like I  said, the Dublin club structure is designed to discover and develop the more talented players from an early age up to the highest level they can possibly get to. Itís like sifting wheat from chaff as their country cousins might put it. The chaff, the less talented players, get cast aside.
That means that there are plenty of top class club players whoíd get a place on most other intercounty teams but will never get close to a place on the Dub panel.
Itís alright saying that Dublin panellists train very hard but the impression that they do all their hoofing about at the Fingallians club grounds is wide of the mark.
About a fortnight ago, a controversy erupted when the Dublin team management announced it was removing s the ďadvanced training machineryĒ that that had been left with the National Sports Complex in Abbotstown. What bugs me a little is this: the machinery was taken back when the Dubs couldnít use it any time they wanted to.
They have hardly moved this gear out to Fingallians so where is it now and what use is it to the Dub footballers? Their training regime is a bit more complicated that you might think from what Dub fans here are saying.
I say, deal with a full deck or put the cards away.Thereís no point in half telling the truth.
My main gripe with the Dubs is that their club  system is totally unsuited when it comes to widening their playing and support base.
If you were to take a typical Dublin club and split it in two, one immediate advantage is that twice as many players could make it to the highest level possible - senior team for many.  Twice as many players would stay on until they would be assets to the club- volunteer work, fundraising socialising etc.
The massive subventions of funds those clubs need to stay in operation is an indication that all is not well at club level and never will be as long as you have, say, one club to cater for a population the entire size of some other counties.
THe irony is that much of the money GAA HQ does out to counties for development come for the gate receipts the Dubs generate every time they play.
They are attractive to watch and the association needs the Dubs for the colour and excitement that follows them and the money they earn for th association.
So, I know we need the Dubs in top order for the good of the entire association. But the downside is that you also need a few other teams capable of holding their own with the Dubs.
Few people would be prepared to pay premium prices to go see the Dubs wipe the floor with the opposition.
All present indications would show that this isnít going to happen. Itís way of avoiding meltdown by ignoring it and that can only be a short term measure.
I donít know much, if anything, about their club system so you have me there. I donít see any reason for you to make it up so Iím if the impression things arenít great going by what you say.
I know itís not fair that the dubs got all this money from the GAA but re I genius to say thatís the only reason they are successful. Thatís my only point. Would they be as successful? We wonít know. What I am certain of is that crop of players would have come through regardless. The nucleus of the team.
Thatís my only argument here. Now, im gonna bask in the glory of the imminent return to the Armagh panel of a certain Crossmaglen native who is also a lover of coffee.
Your posts are great by the way. Very informative without the needless talking down and name calling of so many others on here