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Maguire01

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Re: The Haas Talks
« Reply #165 on: January 08, 2014, 08:35:22 PM »
Playing 'devil's advocate' here, but do SF or the SDLP deserve many plaudits for endorsing Haass? I've at a read at the proposals and it's hard to see where they've really compromised - it would be difficult to understand if they had rejected it - is there anything in it that creates real difficulties for nationalists or republicans? I fully acknowledge that the Unionists are the ones who need to compromise more than SF or the SDLP on some of these issues.
Maybe you should play something else and just express your own opinions.

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Also, not sure that this attitude of 'no more negotiation' is appropriate. There's no point in talking about 'implementation' before there's agreement. If the answer is more negotiation, then so be it. Until all 5 parties are on board, endorsement by 2 parties is largely irrelevant. .
I don't know what the devil's lawyer is saying but the talk I have heard about was acting on the points that have already been agreed upon. I haven't heard about acting on points which have not been agreed upon.

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It makes SF and the SDLP look reasonable and the unionist look unreasonable
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Do you think SF or the SDLP actually have to do anything in order to make the Unionists look unreasonable?
Did the ANC make the Afrikaner conservatives look unreasonable?

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but it moves nothing forward
Moving forward  is a 2013 expression, let's not flog a dead horse here and drag it into 2014 :)
Take it as my opinion then, if you wish.

As for implementing what has been agreed - it's hard to make a call on that when we don't know what the sticking points are. Maybe there's no full agreement on any individual items, in which case, nothing can be implemented. It might have been better if Haass had issued 3 sets of proposals for each of the 3 issues, to see if there was any chance of agreement on any single strand of the negotiations.

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Re: The Haas Talks
« Reply #166 on: January 09, 2014, 09:02:54 AM »
The sad reality is that no matter what happens SF and DUP will still be elected. The only party interested in real politics appears to be Alliance....but they are powerless.
Flags, parades and the past.....instead of jobs, health, education and the economy.
Only I'm past my sell by date I'd get the fcuk out of this shithole!

How do you work that out when the SDLP and SF were the only two parties who accepted the proposals.

I'm talking about real politics....not flags and parades.
Flags, parades and indemnity matter to many, just because they don't matter to you does not make them less important. With regards to the economy, health etc Stormont will never be able to effect any change or influence until the former is settled.

So are you saying that the flying of the union flag, parading where you are not wanted etc are on a par with bed/nurse/doctor shortages, education cuts and the economy. If Cameron had any balls he would pull the rug from under them and implement direct rule. The gobshites at Stormont have proved from the signing of the GFA that they are not fit for purpose.
No what I am saying is that unless the political parties but more importantly the people in this part of the world can settle these issues to everyone's satisfaction, then the powers necessary to really tackle these other issues will not be devolved. The DUP for one would resit on the basis that it is a further dilution of the union. It will also mean the continued waste of millions on dealing with disputes riots etc.At the end of the day Stormont as it is has no real power it is doling out handouts.

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Re: The Haas Talks
« Reply #167 on: January 09, 2014, 09:07:17 AM »
The sticking points are what they have always been. Ntionalists are terrorists, everyone else is good, natinalists caused it all, there is only one identity that counts ie PUL, conceding any equality or parity to the N/R community weakens the union and British identity.

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Re: The Haas Talks
« Reply #168 on: January 09, 2014, 06:49:56 PM »
Today provided ample opportunity for any politician worth his/her salt to state the obvious.....A&E at the Royal last night resembled something out of a third world country.....but fcuk that a flag is more important >:(

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« Reply #169 on: January 09, 2014, 07:13:45 PM »
Today provided ample opportunity for any politician worth his/her salt to state the obvious.....A&E at the Royal last night resembled something out of a third world country.....but fcuk that a flag is more important >:(

You talk some sh1te,how and who said a flag is more important only you?

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« Reply #170 on: January 09, 2014, 07:20:38 PM »
Today provided ample opportunity for any politician worth his/her salt to state the obvious.....A&E at the Royal last night resembled something out of a third world country.....but fcuk that a flag is more important >:(

You talk some sh1te,how and who said a flag is more important only you?

Why are health, education, jobs and the economy not the top priorities?
As for shite talk....you are fluent! 

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Re: The Haas Talks
« Reply #171 on: January 09, 2014, 07:22:45 PM »
Today provided ample opportunity for any politician worth his/her salt to state the obvious.....A&E at the Royal last night resembled something out of a third world country.....but fcuk that a flag is more important >:(

You talk some sh1te,how and who said a flag is more important only you?

Why are health, education, jobs and the economy not the top priorities?
As for shite talk....you are fluent!

They are top of priorities for most people except you and Willie Frazer.All you talk about is flags,you should join FAiR
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Re: The Haas Talks
« Reply #172 on: January 09, 2014, 07:28:14 PM »
Today provided ample opportunity for any politician worth his/her salt to state the obvious.....A&E at the Royal last night resembled something out of a third world country.....but fcuk that a flag is more important >:(

You talk some sh1te,how and who said a flag is more important only you?

Why are health, education, jobs and the economy not the top priorities?
As for shite talk....you are fluent!

They are top of priorities for most people except you and Willie Frazer.All you talk about is flags,you should join FAiR

Ouch...that really hurt. ;)

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Re: The Haas Talks
« Reply #173 on: January 09, 2014, 07:30:07 PM »
Today provided ample opportunity for any politician worth his/her salt to state the obvious.....A&E at the Royal last night resembled something out of a third world country.....but fcuk that a flag is more important >:(

You talk some sh1te,how and who said a flag is more important only you?

Why are health, education, jobs and the economy not the top priorities?
As for shite talk....you are fluent!

They are top of priorities for most people except you and Willie Frazer.All you talk about is flags,you should join FAiR

Ouch...that really hurt. ;)

no flag?

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« Reply #174 on: January 09, 2014, 07:33:13 PM »
Today provided ample opportunity for any politician worth his/her salt to state the obvious.....A&E at the Royal last night resembled something out of a third world country.....but fcuk that a flag is more important >:(

You talk some sh1te,how and who said a flag is more important only you?

Why are health, education, jobs and the economy not the top priorities?
As for shite talk....you are fluent!

They are top of priorities for most people except you and Willie Frazer.All you talk about is flags,you should join FAiR

Ouch...that really hurt. ;)

no flag?

Willie using it tonight :D

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Re: The Haas Talks
« Reply #175 on: January 09, 2014, 07:35:07 PM »
Today provided ample opportunity for any politician worth his/her salt to state the obvious.....A&E at the Royal last night resembled something out of a third world country.....but fcuk that a flag is more important >:(

You talk some sh1te,how and who said a flag is more important only you?

Why are health, education, jobs and the economy not the top priorities?
As for shite talk....you are fluent!

They are top of priorities for most people except you and Willie Frazer.All you talk about is flags,you should join FAiR

Ouch...that really hurt. ;)

no flag?

Willie using it tonight :D

 ;D

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Re: The Haas Talks
« Reply #176 on: January 09, 2014, 11:32:38 PM »
Interesting to see Haass on tv tonight effectively blaming both Unionist parties and Alliance

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« Reply #177 on: January 10, 2014, 08:39:10 AM »
Interesting to see Haass on tv tonight effectively blaming both Unionist parties and Alliance

He is talking balls sure Maguire and Count 10 know better,its everyones fault the poor Unionists just wanted everything. ???

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« Reply #178 on: January 10, 2014, 11:21:23 AM »
The reality is that there is an impasse at Stormont, flags etc do not prevent Poots from doing his job. The bottom line is SF can't get the DUP to move on anything hence the feeling that nothing is getting done. It is popular to say fcuk flegs what about health, but even before we had these protests etc... health was a mess. 50K a day to police Twaddell would pay for a few Emergency Medicine Specialists and a few extra nurses. One of the biggest issues in health and local government is the numbers of overpaid administrative staff. This is particularly so in health where you have a Chief Executive who can't make clinical decisions, therefore you have a Chief Medical Officer as well...duplication. or should that be DUP-lication.

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Re: The Haas Talks
« Reply #179 on: January 10, 2014, 04:34:29 PM »
Interesting to see Haass on tv tonight effectively blaming both Unionist parties and Alliance

He is talking balls sure Maguire and Count 10 know better,its everyones fault the poor Unionists just wanted everything. ???
Where exactly did I say it wasn't the unionists' fault?