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« Reply #6675 on: January 08, 2020, 01:40:43 PM »
I don’t care what anyone says, but social media is a big part of today’s mental health issues.

Everyone is connected but nobody is actually taking the time to meet and talk properly.

What is worse is that I witnessed people ‘making hay’ out of this tragedy on social media today!  Let the family grieve without trying to put yourself front and centre. It’s actually disgusting.

For the next generation it's all about those likes and retweets. Thoughts and prayers, heart emojis. Repeat.

Gives them validation they aren't getting in their real life because they spend all day on social media. It's a viscous circle.

Agree again, in the past humans got little or no validation, now a days likes on facebook etc, thankfully I dont or ever will have a facebook account.

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« Reply #6676 on: January 08, 2020, 02:51:41 PM »
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What would be the point in life if you didn't have some sort of belief in a higher power?

That's like something a priest would write. Plenty get on well in life without the need of religion/faith.

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« Reply #6677 on: January 08, 2020, 02:58:14 PM »
I don’t care what anyone says, but social media is a big part of today’s mental health issues.

Everyone is connected but nobody is actually taking the time to meet and talk properly.

What is worse is that I witnessed people ‘making hay’ out of this tragedy on social media today!  Let the family grieve without trying to put yourself front and centre. It’s actually disgusting.

For the next generation it's all about those likes and retweets. Thoughts and prayers, heart emojis. Repeat.

Gives them validation they aren't getting in their real life because they spend all day on social media. It's a viscous circle.

Agree again, in the past humans got little or no validation, now a days likes on facebook etc, thankfully I dont or ever will have a facebook account.

Never been on it either, and won’t be.

I don’t see/hear what friends, family, neighbours are up to on a night out/holiday, unless I speak to them in person. I don’t really give a shit that your dog can howl ‘bohemian rhapsody’ or you had lasagne for your dinner. And nobody cares what I had for my dinner either because it’s not important.

I’m sure if I was on FB, I’d start to feel like I was inadequate. Do I wish I had a better car? Yes. More money? Yes. A bigger tv? Aye why not. 4 holidays a year? Yeah wouldn’t mind. But I’m comfortable in myself, know what I can afford and what is realistic, and know what’s really important in life. But I think once you’re  on FB, a lot of rational thinking goes out the window and you get immersed in this fantasy land.

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« Reply #6678 on: January 08, 2020, 03:31:13 PM »
I don’t care what anyone says, but social media is a big part of today’s mental health issues.

Everyone is connected but nobody is actually taking the time to meet and talk properly.

What is worse is that I witnessed people ‘making hay’ out of this tragedy on social media today!  Let the family grieve without trying to put yourself front and centre. It’s actually disgusting.

For the next generation it's all about those likes and retweets. Thoughts and prayers, heart emojis. Repeat.

Gives them validation they aren't getting in their real life because they spend all day on social media. It's a viscous circle.

Agree again, in the past humans got little or no validation, now a days likes on facebook etc, thankfully I dont or ever will have a facebook account.

Never been on it either, and won’t be.

I don’t see/hear what friends, family, neighbours are up to on a night out/holiday, unless I speak to them in person. I don’t really give a shit that your dog can howl ‘bohemian rhapsody’ or you had lasagne for your dinner. And nobody cares what I had for my dinner either because it’s not important.

I’m sure if I was on FB, I’d start to feel like I was inadequate. Do I wish I had a better car? Yes. More money? Yes. A bigger tv? Aye why not. 4 holidays a year? Yeah wouldn’t mind. But I’m comfortable in myself, know what I can afford and what is realistic, and know what’s really important in life. But I think once you’re  on FB, a lot of rational thinking goes out the window and you get immersed in this fantasy land.

Facebook is used for various reasons, not all, look at me and what I'm eating, conversing with family abroad or seeing their photos can be good. The younger ones are not on it as much in fairness, My two daughters (19, and 16 ) would use other social media like snapchat Instagram and its all about the followers and checking out the youtubers, facebook falls down in that age group. Whereas my eldest uses his for work promotion purposes.

Anyone that gets hung up on someone going on holiday (a normal thing) or someone having pints out with their mates or someone at Croke Park for instance is a snowflake, and would probably get annoyed at anything. 
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

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« Reply #6679 on: January 08, 2020, 03:44:41 PM »
Substance abuse, sexuality struggles , sex abuse, economic hardships, loss of religion without a spiritual replacement, legacy strife from troubles. All need dealt with.

Agree with most, but not sure about "loss of religion without spiritual replacement"

Do you think not having a deity to worship or afterlife to strive for causes mental health issues?

It is just my own theory(I am not a Mass goer), but I think a loss of faith can lead to despair. I cant really articulate properly what I am trying to say, but a lot of our old values(religious or spiritual) have been replaced with shallow and materialistic values. As I said just my own thoughts, and it would be lower down the list for me than some of the other things I listed.

I agree. I know alot of people like to throw the boot into the church and of course some of the scandals associated with them are horrific. But we haven't replaced that spiritual connection since the dissasocistion with religion began in the 90s/00s. Any wonder depression and suicude is so rife. What would be the point in life if you didn't have some sort of belief in a higher power?

I read Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind a few months back and it touches on this to an extent. It was belief in a greater power / the power of the group which moved Homo Sapien from being just one more animal competing for survival to the dominant species on earth. Having a belief, even if only a belief in the common good does give direction.

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« Reply #6680 on: January 08, 2020, 08:02:47 PM »
Will give that a go thanks.

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« Reply #6681 on: January 08, 2020, 09:15:59 PM »
If there were a notable colleration between an increase in suicide rates (as a percentage per population) stemming from a growing trend towards irreligion in socities of developed countries, not to mention the general worldwide increase in interaction of social media (not just Facebook, in Russia it only has a very small share of internet users in the country whereas a similar service, VKontakte, is far more dominant), it should be easy enough to notice a pattern, but there's not much evidence to suggest that this is the case. Certain parts of the world seem to be more vulnerable to having high suicide rates, most notably eastern Europe and East Asia. Meanwhile in the USA, the "Mountain States" have in general the highest suicide rates in the country - Wyoming in particular is hard hit with the only state outside this "belt" having similar rates being Alaska.

I'd suggest that there are numerous factors towards what helps develop rates of suicide in countries and socities across the world - opportunities for economic, social and personal development, cultural attitudes, general lifestyle trends and government efforts towards addressing suicide both on an indivudal level and as public health policy IMO have much more concrete observation and data to come by.
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« Reply #6682 on: January 08, 2020, 10:52:46 PM »

I read Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind a few months back and it touches on this to an extent. It was belief in a greater power / the power of the group which moved Homo Sapien from being just one more animal competing for survival to the dominant species on earth. Having a belief, even if only a belief in the common good does give direction.

I read it too. Great first half, but I struggled with the rest.
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« Reply #6683 on: January 09, 2020, 10:49:30 AM »
You can infer what happened from the way the articles are written. He "died suddenly".

Unfortunately I heard that was the case :(

Sad for all those involved.

If it was suicide is the reason it's not widely published an attempt not to glorify it?


I found this on guidelines on reporting suicide.


https://www.nami.org/Blogs/NAMI-Blog/June-2018/Why-Suicide-Reporting-Guidelines-Matter



The concern is contagion and I get that to an extent but then that let's the likes of the social media numpties set the tone of the suicide issue if it's not brought out into the open in a controlled and factual manner!

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« Reply #6684 on: January 09, 2020, 11:14:14 AM »
Substance abuse, sexuality struggles , sex abuse, economic hardships, loss of religion without a spiritual replacement, legacy strife from troubles. All need dealt with.

Agree with most, but not sure about "loss of religion without spiritual replacement"

Do you think not having a deity to worship or afterlife to strive for causes mental health issues?

It is just my own theory(I am not a Mass goer), but I think a loss of faith can lead to despair. I cant really articulate properly what I am trying to say, but a lot of our old values(religious or spiritual) have been replaced with shallow and materialistic values. As I said just my own thoughts, and it would be lower down the list for me than some of the other things I listed.

I agree. I know alot of people like to throw the boot into the church and of course some of the scandals associated with them are horrific. But we haven't replaced that spiritual connection since the dissasocistion with religion began in the 90s/00s. Any wonder depression and suicude is so rife. What would be the point in life if you didn't have some sort of belief in a higher power?

That life is worth living for its own sake?



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Re: Death Notices
« Reply #6685 on: January 10, 2020, 11:39:53 PM »
Neal Peart of Rush  :( :(

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« Reply #6686 on: January 17, 2020, 11:33:09 AM »
Actor Derek Fowlds

Best known for playing Bernard Woolley in Yes Minister, along with Oscar Blaketon in Heartbeat for 18 years.

IMO Yes Minister/Prime Minister is one of the greatest ever comedies, still graet watching almost 40 years on and Fowlds was brilliant in his role.


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« Reply #6687 on: January 22, 2020, 01:03:26 PM »
Terry Jones Monty Python 77

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« Reply #6688 on: January 22, 2020, 02:04:19 PM »
Terry Jones Monty Python 77

He was not the Messiah, he was a very naughty boy!

RIP

Wasn’t he suffering from dementia?

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« Reply #6689 on: January 24, 2020, 05:16:43 PM »
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