County Rankings 2001-2015

[seafoid]

What's very interesting  (relatively) is to track a team's progression or otherwise through the years in the All Ireland Series, since the Qualifiers were brought in. (Which is why 2001 is used I presume).

For example, Galway versus Mayo since 2001.

The Mayo glass ceiling
And If Galway continue the trend they'll be at minus 2 by 2018

[Aristo 60]

I have drawn up my own rankings of the counties since the beginning of the qualifiers and quarter finals in 2001.  I have decided to only award credit to counties who have reached the quarter finals.  I considered giving credit to those who reached the last 12, but this skews the results unfairly towards Munster and Connacht counties who can occasionally reach the last 12 by default. (Example, this year Leitrim will reach the last 12 if they beat New York and London).

20 Counties have reached the last 8 since the inception of the qualifiers in 2001.  I have ranked the counties by stats, not opinion.  The 4 columns are for All Ireland, Runners Up, Semi Finalist, Quarter Finalist.  I do not give additional credit for winning a provincial title except where the results throw up a draw.  In the only case where this was relevant I have placed Roscommon above Westmeath beacuse Roscommon won 2 provincial titles to Westmeaths 1.

The most recent counties to be added to this list where Limerick in 2011.  Down in 2010( who in typical Down fashion went straight from nowhere to an All-Ireland Final), and Wexford and Kildare in 2008, and Kildare have reached at least the QF every year since then.

I would be interested to hear if anyone has a better way of ranking the counties.

1.  Kerry          4-4-2-1
2.  Tyrone       3-0-1-5
3.  Cork           1-2-5-1
4.  Armagh      1-1-1-3
5.  Dublin         1-0-5-5
6.  Donegal     1-0-2-3
7.  Galway       1-0-0-4
8.  Mayo           0-3-1-3
9.  Meath         0-1-2-1
10. Down         0-1-0-1
11. Derry          0-0-2-2
12. Kildare        0-0-1-4
13. Fermanagh 0-0-1-1
14. Wexford     0-0-1-0
15. Laois           0-0-0-4
16. Roscommon 0-0-0-3
17. Westmeath  0-0-0-3
18. Sligo            0-0-0-2
=19. Monaghan 0-0-0-1
=19. Limerick     0-0-0-1

I don't need results to rank my county:

1 Down
2 The Rest

If this isn't the way you all feel about your own county then you need to search your soul
(or move to Tyrone).

[seafoid]

An alternative measure would be Allstars won.

[muppet]

This is simply a list of All-Irelands won, followed by teams who made the final only, followed by teams who made the semi-final only etc. It assumes reaching a level only once is worth reaching the previous level 10 times in a row. Thus a county winning 10 provincial titles in a row could be trumped by reaching a semi-final once ever and never winning a provincial title.

[rodney trotter]

People talk about the difficulty of putting back to back titles together, but it also a fact that, over the last 30+ plus Years, many (most?) teams who win one AI, also win at least one more with a couple of years.

It will be interesting to see if the last three continue the trend.

Cork's window is closing fast but Donegal have a few years on the clock left and it seems almost inevitable that Dublin will win another.

Cork won the 2007, 2009 U-21 All Irelands and won the last three Munster U-21 titles the only window closing for them is for the older players.

Underage success is no guarantee of future glory - which was the question, not that they would be a top level team - we know that very well, as do Galway, Armagh and a multitude of other counties.

Cork are a team on a downward incline right now and unless they unearth some real gems and keep lads like Colm O'Niell on their feet the likes of Dublin and Donegal will be immovable objects for them.

Cork had 4 or 5 stand out players this year at u21. Brian Cahalane at Full Back, Jamie Wall, Tom Clancy Brian Hurley full forward
Daniel Goulding played very little if any football in the League this year They will be very strong contenders even without O Neill.

[armaghniac]

I don't need results to rank my county:

1 Down
2 The Rest

I'd favour

1 The Rest
2 Down

[Syferus]

People talk about the difficulty of putting back to back titles together, but it also a fact that, over the last 30+ plus Years, many (most?) teams who win one AI, also win at least one more with a couple of years.

It will be interesting to see if the last three continue the trend.

Cork's window is closing fast but Donegal have a few years on the clock left and it seems almost inevitable that Dublin will win another.

Cork won the 2007, 2009 U-21 All Irelands and won the last three Munster U-21 titles the only window closing for them is for the older players.

Underage success is no guarantee of future glory - which was the question, not that they would be a top level team - we know that very well, as do Galway, Armagh and a multitude of other counties.

Cork are a team on a downward incline right now and unless they unearth some real gems and keep lads like Colm O'Niell on their feet the likes of Dublin and Donegal will be immovable objects for them.

Cork had 4 or 5 stand out players this year at u21. Brian Cahalane at Full Back, Jamie Wall, Tom Clancy Brian Hurley full forward
Daniel Goulding played very little if any football in the League this year They will be very strong contenders even without O Neill.

I think they are this year and maybe next year but after that the future is hazy. Even if they turn those U21s into great seniors I expect a drop-off for a couple of years.

The original question was how the last three AI winners would fair in winning a second title in quick succession; I think Cork are the ones with the smallest window on that account, especially given it's already three years since they won it.

[seafoid]

This is simply a list of All-Irelands won, followed by teams who made the final only, followed by teams who made the semi-final only etc. It assumes reaching a level only once is worth reaching the previous level 10 times in a row. Thus a county winning 10 provincial titles in a row could be trumped by reaching a semi-final once ever and never winning a provincial title.

We're working on a rating algorithm with Google, Muppet, but you'll have to give us your bank details to get it.

[rodney trotter]

People talk about the difficulty of putting back to back titles together, but it also a fact that, over the last 30+ plus Years, many (most?) teams who win one AI, also win at least one more with a couple of years.

It will be interesting to see if the last three continue the trend.

Cork's window is closing fast but Donegal have a few years on the clock left and it seems almost inevitable that Dublin will win another.

Cork won the 2007, 2009 U-21 All Irelands and won the last three Munster U-21 titles the only window closing for them is for the older players.

Underage success is no guarantee of future glory - which was the question, not that they would be a top level team - we know that very well, as do Galway, Armagh and a multitude of other counties.

Cork are a team on a downward incline right now and unless they unearth some real gems and keep lads like Colm O'Niell on their feet the likes of Dublin and Donegal will be immovable objects for them.

Cork had 4 or 5 stand out players this year at u21. Brian Cahalane at Full Back, Jamie Wall, Tom Clancy Brian Hurley full forward
Daniel Goulding played very little if any football in the League this year They will be very strong contenders even without O Neill.

I think they are this year and maybe next year but after that the future is hazy. Even if they turn those U21s into great seniors I expect a drop-off for a couple of years.

The original question was how the last three AI winners would fair in winning a second title in quick succession; I think Cork are the ones with the smallest window on that account, especially given it's already three years since they won it.

Can't see their future being that hazy tbh, Aidan Walsh is probably Corks best player and he is 23, Ciaran Sheehan is 23/24, Eoin Cadogan is 26 not over the hill yet, Paul Kerrigan is still 26, Colm O Neill once he gets back again from his latest injury, still has   lots more time. Still 23

Canty and Pearse O Neill aren't getting any younger,but those those u21's will be able to step up to the mark.

[Feckitt]

I have updated my own rankings of the counties since the beginning of the qualifiers and quarter finals in 2001.
This is a list of the counties by total success since 2001, and not a current reflection of where counties stand in 2013.  It gives a good reflection of where success has gone to since the start of the qualifiers.

Newcomers to the list this year are Cavan, and now 21 counties have reached the quarter finals.  Despite remarkable consistency, Mayo still languish in 8th place, because everyone above them has won the All - Ireland.


1.  Kerry          4-4-3-2
2.  Tyrone       3-0-2-5
3.  Dublin        2-0-5-5
4.  Cork           1-2-5-2
5.  Armagh      1-1-1-3
6.  Donegal     1-0-2-4
7.  Galway       1-0-0-4
8.  Mayo           0-4-1-3
9.  Meath         0-1-2-1
10. Down         0-1-0-1
11. Derry          0-0-2-1
12. Kildare        0-0-1-4
13. Fermanagh 0-0-1-1
14. Wexford     0-0-1-0
15. Laois           0-0-0-4
16. Roscommon 0-0-0-3
17. Westmeath  0-0-0-3
=18. Sligo           0-0-0-2
=18. Monaghan 0-0-0-2
=20. Limerick     0-0-0-1
=20. Cavan        0-0-0-1

[Feckitt]

Right lads, Here is the Roll of Honour since the inception of the Qualifiers system in 2001.  Kerry stretch their lead over Tyrone and Donegal move above Armagh, no other major changes since last year.  Kerry have played in 9 All Ireland finals since 2001 and I think Marc O'Se has played in them all.  Mayo are still stuck in 8th place because all the counties above them have won the All Ireland.  This is not a current state of the nation rankings.  It is the overall success of counties since 2001.


1.  Kerry          5-4-3-2
2.  Tyrone       3-0-2-5
3.  Dublin        2-0-6-5
4.  Cork           1-2-5-3
5.  Donegal      1-1-2-4
6.  Armagh      1-1-1-4
7.  Galway       1-0-0-5
8.  Mayo           0-4-2-3
9.  Meath         0-1-2-1
10. Down         0-1-0-1
11. Derry          0-0-2-1
12. Kildare        0-0-1-4
13. Fermanagh 0-0-1-1
14. Wexford     0-0-1-0
15. Laois           0-0-0-4
=16. Monaghan  0-0-0-3
=16. Roscommon 0-0-0-3
=16. Westmeath  0-0-0-3
19. Sligo           0-0-0-2
=20. Limerick     0-0-0-1
=20. Cavan        0-0-0-1

[armaghniac]

laoisman11 on Boards.ie has done an excellent job collating statistics and has a weighted ranking, this is ranking at the end of the season

Rank	Team	Rating points
1	Kerry	103,57
2	Donegal	99,99
3	Dublin	98,27
4	Mayo	97,81
5	Monaghan	92,60
6	Cork	91,95
7	Armagh	90,93
8	Tyrone	90,50
9	Kildare	88,93
10	Meath	87,31
11	Galway	85,56
12	Derry	85,00
13	Roscommon	84,30
14	Laois	83,57
15	Tipperary	83,18
16	Down	82,14
17	Louth	79,14
18	Cavan	79,08
19	Wexford	76,79
20	Clare	76,04
21	Sligo	75,99
22	Westmeath	74,50
23	Longford	74,17
24	Fermanagh	72,87
25	Limerick	72,62
26	Antrim	70,57
27	Wicklow	70,05
28	Leitrim	69,68
29	Offaly	67,42
30	London	63,68
31	Carlow	63,20
32	Waterford	62,63
33	New York	57,54

His system shows Armagh, Kerry, Donegal and Tipp having improved their rank significantly during the championship, while Tyrone, Cork, Derry and Cavan lost significant ranking during the course of the championship.

[Schkite]

laoisman11 on Boards.ie has done an excellent job collating statistics and has a weighted ranking, this is ranking at the end of the season

Rank	Team	Rating points
1	Kerry	103,57
2	Donegal	99,99
3	Dublin	98,27
4	Mayo	97,81
5	Monaghan	92,60
6	Cork	91,95
7	Armagh	90,93
8	Tyrone	90,50
9	Kildare	88,93
10	Meath	87,31
11	Galway	85,56
12	Derry	85,00
13	Roscommon	84,30
14	Laois	83,57
15	Tipperary	83,18
16	Down	82,14
17	Louth	79,14
18	Cavan	79,08
19	Wexford	76,79
20	Clare	76,04
21	Sligo	75,99
22	Westmeath	74,50
23	Longford	74,17
24	Fermanagh	72,87
25	Limerick	72,62
26	Antrim	70,57
27	Wicklow	70,05
28	Leitrim	69,68
29	Offaly	67,42
30	London	63,68
31	Carlow	63,20
32	Waterford	62,63
33	New York	57,54

His system shows Armagh, Kerry, Donegal and Tipp having improved their rank significantly during the championship, while Tyrone, Cork, Derry and Cavan lost significant ranking during the course of the championship.

Monaghan have surely been a good improver too, can't imagine we were there at the start of the year! I've read that thread and it's an excellent analysis using alot of information. He used that to make predictions before each match also and they were usually bang on, often to the winning margin even.

Some change to the top 4 since the quarter-finals!

[ONeill]

Is there a link to that thread?

[armaghniac]

Monaghan have surely been a good improver too, can't imagine we were there at the start of the year!

Ulster champions?

Is there a link to that thread?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057173179

The Team of Gingers over there is good crack as well.