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[muppet]

a lot of my friends are union guys and they will admit that in NY at least the unions held the city to ransom. Charging hourly rates that Big 4 accountants wouldn't get, turning power off to a building if a union contractor didn't get the job.....it had to come to an end. I have nothing against Unions but lets be fair about it.

That's the thing, the good people in the unions never get into positions of authority because they are not corrupt or on the take.

My experience here with Unions has not been a good one at all, when we were building the house I had contractors place bids for the work, I had union tradesmen bid and they came in with the cheapest bid however I decided to check out how they fared with people they had done work for before, to say they got bad reviews would give bad reviews a bad name, I went with a non union crowd called Tycore Built and they did a tremendous job, the other crowd called to ask what was going on with the bid, when I told them i went elsewhere he went off on me over the phone, so fcuk the unions!

If a black man picked your pocket would you say fcuk the black man?

Are you on drugs?

Your sweeping generalisation of trade unions 'so fcuk the unions!', based on a quote to do work on your house, is so determined yet absurd, that I assumed this thinking would be consistent.

In an ideal world the good union would exist and the corrupt one's would be disbanded.

As for your ridiculous question, a man is a man be he black white or yellow so no i would not say that, does that answer your question toots?

Is a man a man when he runs a corrupt union?

[FL/MAYO]

a lot of my friends are union guys and they will admit that in NY at least the unions held the city to ransom. Charging hourly rates that Big 4 accountants wouldn't get, turning power off to a building if a union contractor didn't get the job.....it had to come to an end. I have nothing against Unions but lets be fair about it.

That's the thing, the good people in the unions never get into positions of authority because they are not corrupt or on the take.

My experience here with Unions has not been a good one at all, when we were building the house I had contractors place bids for the work, I had union tradesmen bid and they came in with the cheapest bid however I decided to check out how they fared with people they had done work for before, to say they got bad reviews would give bad reviews a bad name, I went with a non union crowd called Tycore Built and they did a tremendous job, the other crowd called to ask what was going on with the bid, when I told them i went elsewhere he went off on me over the phone, so fcuk the unions!

Its nice to see that you class all unions and union members as corrupt, lazy and inept due to your experience of not getting your dinner on time

Firstly,the financial collapse of 2009 was not the fault of union member's though the Republican Party and Fox News would like to blame us for this, greedy banks and Wall Street running amok with little or no regulations or oversight for years is the reason for the 2009 collapse of the U.S economy.

Secondly how repulsed would you be if six union firefighters ran into you house to rescue you or your family members. Since I have started in this profession I have seen things that you would not believe, watching young kids die form drug overdoses, standing by and watching and smelling 14 years old boys cook to death due to getting electrocuted, I have been spat at, shit on, stuck with needles, I have picked up peoples heads after they were decapitated not to mention the unknown hazards that my body have been exposed too. Firefighters die much younger than the rest of the general population, the job is very stressful. So when I hear right wing nuts bash unions and blame us for the way the economy is I rightly get pissed. After 25 years on the job I will deserve my pension despite what the the right wing of the Republican Party think, they're a bunch of hypocrites.

First of all not once did I say that all  union members and unions are all lazy and corrupt! secondly I did not say that union members did not deserve their pensions, if it was negotiated they deserve to get what they have coming to them as do all citizens, you included.

Unions have the right to exist but too many of them are shite so fcuk those unions, as for the job you have, bully for you, it is an incredibly tough job, no doubt about it and you deserve to be taken care of but nobody put a gun to your head and made you become a firefighter.

As for your experiences on the job, that is what you signed up for, you knew what you were getting into and if it causing you that much stress you should consider doing something else.

As for me looking for a cup of tea, I was making a point of how petty unions can be, especially in Chicago.

Hypocrites all belong to the right, is that your assertion? too many clampetts on here blame the conservatives on everything whilst leaving the left blameless on all fronts.

Wall Street AND greedy unions (fcuk the greedy unions) ruined the economy, greedy union members helped ruin the economy by self destructing and destroying the fabric of companies that treated them like world class professionals and paid them handsomely for the privilege to have them weld, for example, a few spots on a shell of a car on a conveyor belt. (Again, this was an example)

Tell me this, is it only the Republicans that fcuk things up in America or are you another one of these union boyos that think with the rest of the sheep and just blame the right for everything whilst the left can do no wrong?

Spare me the Fox news shit, CNN is as bent as Fox is and you know it! they are all the fecking same and to me objective reporting in this country died decades ago!

First of all I was giving you examples of the type of good things union members do to counter act the silly examples that you gave. I'm sorry that you did not get your cup of tea but there are useless feckers in every profession union and non-union jobs, common sense is not exclusive to just union member's If your opinion of unions comes from your experiences with  a waiter not serving you a cup of tea and a shoddy construction company then there is probably very little I can do to change that view.   

I never said I couldn't handle the stress of the job, I knew exactly what I was signing up and I am coping with it quiet well. Its the B.S.  I get from people such as yourself that we as union members are to blame for the collapse of the U.S economy that pisses me off.

There is plenty of blame to go around for the dysfunction in this country at the moment but when a leader like Mitch McConnell publicly state that their sole goal after the 2008 election was to make Obama a one term president then you begin to see where this dysfunction started. Racism is at the core of the problem you'd be naive not to see this.

I will agree with you on Fox and CNN but Fox is way the f@#k out there.

[Puckoon]

Fcukin' hell, there you go again FL bringing common sense into it.

[stew]

a lot of my friends are union guys and they will admit that in NY at least the unions held the city to ransom. Charging hourly rates that Big 4 accountants wouldn't get, turning power off to a building if a union contractor didn't get the job.....it had to come to an end. I have nothing against Unions but lets be fair about it.

That's the thing, the good people in the unions never get into positions of authority because they are not corrupt or on the take.

My experience here with Unions has not been a good one at all, when we were building the house I had contractors place bids for the work, I had union tradesmen bid and they came in with the cheapest bid however I decided to check out how they fared with people they had done work for before, to say they got bad reviews would give bad reviews a bad name, I went with a non union crowd called Tycore Built and they did a tremendous job, the other crowd called to ask what was going on with the bid, when I told them i went elsewhere he went off on me over the phone, so fcuk the unions!

Its nice to see that you class all unions and union members as corrupt, lazy and inept due to your experience of not getting your dinner on time

Firstly,the financial collapse of 2009 was not the fault of union member's though the Republican Party and Fox News would like to blame us for this, greedy banks and Wall Street running amok with little or no regulations or oversight for years is the reason for the 2009 collapse of the U.S economy.

Secondly how repulsed would you be if six union firefighters ran into you house to rescue you or your family members. Since I have started in this profession I have seen things that you would not believe, watching young kids die form drug overdoses, standing by and watching and smelling 14 years old boys cook to death due to getting electrocuted, I have been spat at, shit on, stuck with needles, I have picked up peoples heads after they were decapitated not to mention the unknown hazards that my body have been exposed too. Firefighters die much younger than the rest of the general population, the job is very stressful. So when I hear right wing nuts bash unions and blame us for the way the economy is I rightly get pissed. After 25 years on the job I will deserve my pension despite what the the right wing of the Republican Party think, they're a bunch of hypocrites.

First of all not once did I say that all  union members and unions are all lazy and corrupt! secondly I did not say that union members did not deserve their pensions, if it was negotiated they deserve to get what they have coming to them as do all citizens, you included.

Unions have the right to exist but too many of them are shite so fcuk those unions, as for the job you have, bully for you, it is an incredibly tough job, no doubt about it and you deserve to be taken care of but nobody put a gun to your head and made you become a firefighter.

As for your experiences on the job, that is what you signed up for, you knew what you were getting into and if it causing you that much stress you should consider doing something else.

As for me looking for a cup of tea, I was making a point of how petty unions can be, especially in Chicago.

Hypocrites all belong to the right, is that your assertion? too many clampetts on here blame the conservatives on everything whilst leaving the left blameless on all fronts.

Wall Street AND greedy unions (fcuk the greedy unions) ruined the economy, greedy union members helped ruin the economy by self destructing and destroying the fabric of companies that treated them like world class professionals and paid them handsomely for the privilege to have them weld, for example, a few spots on a shell of a car on a conveyor belt. (Again, this was an example)

Tell me this, is it only the Republicans that fcuk things up in America or are you another one of these union boyos that think with the rest of the sheep and just blame the right for everything whilst the left can do no wrong?

Spare me the Fox news shit, CNN is as bent as Fox is and you know it! they are all the fecking same and to me objective reporting in this country died decades ago!

First of all I was giving you examples of the type of good things union members do to counter act the silly examples that you gave. I'm sorry that you did not get your cup of tea but there are useless feckers in every profession union and non-union jobs, common sense is not exclusive to just union member's If your opinion of unions comes from your experiences with  a waiter not serving you a cup of tea and a shoddy construction company then there is probably very little I can do to change that view.   

I never said I couldn't handle the stress of the job, I knew exactly what I was signing up and I am coping with it quiet well. Its the B.S.  I get from people such as yourself that we as union members are to blame for the collapse of the U.S economy that pisses me off.

There is plenty of blame to go around for the dysfunction in this country at the moment but when a leader like Mitch McConnell publicly state that their sole goal after the 2008 election was to make Obama a one term president then you begin to see where this dysfunction started. Racism is at the core of the problem you'd be naive not to see this.

I will agree with you on Fox and CNN but Fox is way the f@#k out there.

I don't know you and never will, how can I give you shit?

Me getting a cup of tea was an example of how petty a union was in a certain small situation, I could cite plenty of examples that actually matter were unions fecked up and actually did give you one of the best one's in the auto industry example.

So I gave you silly examples, fair enough, the Unions fcuked up the auto industry and by the way, a republican wanting a democrat to be a one term President, wow, there's a shocker.

I wanted Obama to be a no term President but the fecker won twice, he is a bad un but sure no worse than Bush.

Common sense is a two way street, common sense should tell you that racism is not exclusive to Conservatives as you imply but hey, maybe everyone that thinks Obama is shite is a racist, me included.

We will agree to disagree on the unions, I don't blame them for the ruination of the economy but they had their part to play, as for you, your pension and your right to be a card carrying member of a Union, fair play to you for the job you do and the money you rightly make and the pension you so richly deserve, it is one incredibly tough job and I know I couldn't handle seeing severed heads and toasted children, in short I am glad you feel your union take care of you as they should.

[FL/MAYO]

Fcukin' hell, there you go again FL bringing common sense into it.

Well I'm not the one that immigrated to the U.S and set up shop in Green Bay

[stew]

Fcukin' hell, there you go again FL bringing common sense into it.

Well I'm not the one that immigrated to the U.S and set up shop in Green Bay

Nah, you went to Florida, home of no State taxes, Nascar and rednecks.

Green Bay was a great place to rear two kids, I want out soon though because the weather is feckin brutal from December to March.

[FL/MAYO]

Fcukin' hell, there you go again FL bringing common sense into it.

Well I'm not the one that immigrated to the U.S and set up shop in Green Bay

Nah, you went to Florida, home of no State taxes, Nascar and rednecks.

Green Bay was a great place to rear two kids, I want out soon though because the weather is feckin brutal from December to March.

I hear you Stew, I'm getting the hell out of Florida in 5 years for a similar reason, the weather form now until November is brutally hot and humid. A lot of Floridians are moving to Colorado that might be an option for you. Back to Mayo for me hopefully!

[stew]

We are going to move to South Carolina in all likelihood.

Colorado is some spot, in parts you can ski and play golf on the same day, I want no part of winter, I detest it and just want to be able to live without hibernating for three or four months.

[Mike Sheehy]

Rocks ! don't talk to me about fcukin rocks. I had a rock in my back garden once and all it did was sit there like a big useless rock.
I'm not saying all rocks are useless whores but all rocks are useless whores. You lads are always going on about stones but stones are just smaller rocks. I'm tellin ya its the fcukin rocks that are behind it all. Whats wrong with rocks ? I wont have a bad word said about rocks. They rock ! You lads are always dissing the rocks. f**k off. I love rocks.
                                                                         stew (aka mad bastard)

[cicfada]

Stew, the rednecks stop in Florida, about 100 miles north of Miami and from there south it's a wonderful liberal mix of Jews , northerners, English , Latin Americans , Cubans etc. no state taxes has to be admired as well surely? I loved my time there but I don't regret moving home to be honest. My three boys are thriving here and both myself and herself are lucky to be working. Good to hear that you are thinking of moving home, fl/mayo. If mayo win the all Ireland final though you might have to put your return home back by five years. By then you might have shut up about it 😄😄😄😄😄😄

[FL/MAYO]

Stew, the rednecks stop in Florida, about 100 miles north of Miami and from there south it's a wonderful liberal mix of Jews , northerners, English , Latin Americans , Cubans etc. no state taxes has to be admired as well surely? I loved my time there but I don't regret moving home to be honest. My three boys are thriving here and both myself and herself are lucky to be working. Good to hear that you are thinking of moving home, fl/mayo. If mayo win the all Ireland final though you might have to put your return home back by five years. By then you might have shut up about it 😄😄😄😄😄😄

Jaysus look who has climbed out of the woodwork. Glad to hear its going well for you Cic, I will be in touch in a few more years  for a few tips plus I'll have the Five-in-a-Row Tshirts for you by 2017!!

[joemamas]

a lot of my friends are union guys and they will admit that in NY at least the unions held the city to ransom. Charging hourly rates that Big 4 accountants wouldn't get, turning power off to a building if a union contractor didn't get the job.....it had to come to an end. I have nothing against Unions but lets be fair about it.

That's the thing, the good people in the unions never get into positions of authority because they are not corrupt or on the take.

My experience here with Unions has not been a good one at all, when we were building the house I had contractors place bids for the work, I had union tradesmen bid and they came in with the cheapest bid however I decided to check out how they fared with people they had done work for before, to say they got bad reviews would give bad reviews a bad name, I went with a non union crowd called Tycore Built and they did a tremendous job, the other crowd called to ask what was going on with the bid, when I told them i went elsewhere he went off on me over the phone, so fcuk the unions!

Its nice to see that you class all unions and union members as corrupt, lazy and inept due to your experience of not getting your dinner on time

Firstly,the financial collapse of 2009 was not the fault of union member's though the Republican Party and Fox News would like to blame us for this, greedy banks and Wall Street running amok with little or no regulations or oversight for years is the reason for the 2009 collapse of the U.S economy.

Secondly how repulsed would you be if six union firefighters ran into you house to rescue you or your family members. Since I have started in this profession I have seen things that you would not believe, watching young kids die form drug overdoses, standing by and watching and smelling 14 years old boys cook to death due to getting electrocuted, I have been spat at, shit on, stuck with needles, I have picked up peoples heads after they were decapitated not to mention the unknown hazards that my body have been exposed too. Firefighters die much younger than the rest of the general population, the job is very stressful. So when I hear right wing nuts bash unions and blame us for the way the economy is I rightly get pissed. After 25 years on the job I will deserve my pension despite what the the right wing of the Republican Party think, they're a bunch of hypocrites.

First of all not once did I say that all  union members and unions are all lazy and corrupt! secondly I did not say that union members did not deserve their pensions, if it was negotiated they deserve to get what they have coming to them as do all citizens, you included.

Unions have the right to exist but too many of them are shite so fcuk those unions, as for the job you have, bully for you, it is an incredibly tough job, no doubt about it and you deserve to be taken care of but nobody put a gun to your head and made you become a firefighter.

As for your experiences on the job, that is what you signed up for, you knew what you were getting into and if it causing you that much stress you should consider doing something else.

As for me looking for a cup of tea, I was making a point of how petty unions can be, especially in Chicago.

Hypocrites all belong to the right, is that your assertion? too many clampetts on here blame the conservatives on everything whilst leaving the left blameless on all fronts.

Wall Street AND greedy unions (fcuk the greedy unions) ruined the economy, greedy union members helped ruin the economy by self destructing and destroying the fabric of companies that treated them like world class professionals and paid them handsomely for the privilege to have them weld, for example, a few spots on a shell of a car on a conveyor belt. (Again, this was an example)

Tell me this, is it only the Republicans that fcuk things up in America or are you another one of these union boyos that think with the rest of the sheep and just blame the right for everything whilst the left can do no wrong?

Spare me the Fox news shit, CNN is as bent as Fox is and you know it! they are all the fecking same and to me objective reporting in this country died decades ago!

For what its worth, I also believe that if you work for 25 - 30 years you deserve a reasonable pension, in line with your average salary. Problem in US is that a lot of public servants pad the sh*t out of their pension with a ton of overtime in last years before retirement, and have no problem saying they are doing same. That is why local municipalities are up to their balls in debt, and it is also why quite a few of them have declared bankruptcy.

As for positives in labor unions just google local 608 NYC. makes one sick

As for sub prime mortgage crisis, a lot of blame to go around, believe it or not the origins of it began with Clinton administration who decided that home ownership levels were too low in US. They encouraged banks to lower lending standards, with Fannie Mae and Freedie Mac there to absorb the extra mortgage underwriting through securitizing these loans. thus began subprime loans.

Finally the media in The US have a very liberal bias, in the past two weeks, if you picked up NYTimes, you would had had to search to find stories on IRS, Bengazhi, AP scandals etc. Fox can certainly be as bad, but mainstream media in my mind has a very liberal leaning bias.

[muppet]

As for sub prime mortgage crisis, a lot of blame to go around, believe it or not the origins of it began with Clinton administration who decided that home ownership levels were too low in US. They encouraged banks to lower lending standards, with Fannie Mae and Freedie Mac there to absorb the extra mortgage underwriting through securitizing these loans. thus began subprime loans.

Finally the media in The US have a very liberal bias, in the past two weeks, if you picked up NYTimes, you would had had to search to find stories on IRS, Bengazhi, AP scandals etc. Fox can certainly be as bad, but mainstream media in my mind has a very liberal leaning bias.

That is true. But the crisis began in earnest when these mortgages became packaged in CDOs, rated Triple A, and sold as fixed income bonds. The appetite for more of these bonds led to crazy lending practices and the whole thing escalated out of control.

[FL/MAYO]

As for sub prime mortgage crisis, a lot of blame to go around, believe it or not the origins of it began with Clinton administration who decided that home ownership levels were too low in US. They encouraged banks to lower lending standards, with Fannie Mae and Freedie Mac there to absorb the extra mortgage underwriting through securitizing these loans. thus began subprime loans.

Finally the media in The US have a very liberal bias, in the past two weeks, if you picked up NYTimes, you would had had to search to find stories on IRS, Bengazhi, AP scandals etc. Fox can certainly be as bad, but mainstream media in my mind has a very liberal leaning bias.

That is true. But the crisis began in earnest when these mortgages became packaged in CDOs, rated Triple A, and sold as fixed income bonds. The appetite for more of these bonds led to crazy lending practices and the whole thing escalated out of control.

The documentary Insideside Job does a great explaining the crisis. Plenty of blame on both sides, the sad thing is some of the people that were major players in the crash are still influencing economic policies in the Obama White House.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzrBurlJUNk