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FL/MAYO

Quote from: Canalman on May 24, 2013, 02:21:32 PM
Quote from: stew on May 24, 2013, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on May 23, 2013, 11:20:16 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on May 23, 2013, 11:05:44 PM
Ah yeah, I get what you're saying FL. It's a bad situation, I'm just tired of these people in all walks of life not taking responsibility for their actions and the rest of the folks carrying the can and then being incredulous when they get busted for it.

BTW - The scientist tag is only for another 4 weeks. Then I'll be a businessman...

Ah great stuff Puck, congrats my friend, you're climbing the corporate ladder. Wont be long now until you'll be one of the 1%ers and a Republican.... giving out about how us union men are ruining the country ;)

Unions are a dinosaur, my mate Scott bitch slapped the unions here in Wisconsin, no more collective bargaining here I am delighted to say! ;)

Trade Unions won you and your family the right to "the weekend"  Stew and the right to  trifling things like overtime/ fair procedure/ designated breaks etc.

Stew needs to realise that in an indirect way most work benefit he has earned since moving to the U.S has been thanks to the hard work of unions and their PAC's. Rick Scott here in Florida will realise next year that the union movement in Florida is far form a dinosaur, trying to take away hard earned benefits from  Police Officers, Teachers and Firefighters has made him the most unpopular governor in Florida history,  his policies effectively handed the state of Florida to Obama in last years election. 

deiseach

Quote from: Canalman on May 24, 2013, 02:21:32 PM
Trade Unions won you and your family the right to "the weekend"  Stew and the right to  trifling things like overtime/ fair procedure/ designated breaks etc.

To all Discussion Boarders based in the USA - enjoy the Memorial Day weekend. I'm sure its existence is down to the lobbying efforts of big business.

stew

Quote from: deiseach on May 24, 2013, 03:12:16 PM
Quote from: Canalman on May 24, 2013, 02:21:32 PM
Trade Unions won you and your family the right to "the weekend"  Stew and the right to  trifling things like overtime/ fair procedure/ designated breaks etc.

To all Discussion Boarders based in the USA - enjoy the Memorial Day weekend. I'm sure its existence is down to the lobbying efforts of big business.

A lot of the unions are as corrupt as fcuk so fcuk those unions, I have seen unions in action and they repulse me, I was at a conference three years ago and asked an employee for a cup of tea at lunch time, he told me that was not a part of his job description and the union wouldn't let him do anything outside of his job description, he was almost finished serving lunch at the time and I was one of the last one's to eat and this was a fantastic, top class hotel they had us at, in, of course Chicago, home of the most corrupt of Unions.

The big dig in Boston is a prime example of corruption within the unions, there people died due to shoddy workmanship from the union members because they were using substandard materials so that the unions officers could stick money in their pockets.

The unions & their ties to the mafia are well documented and there was a time when unions were necessary, some still are but overall they are about as useful as teats on a bull.

I was in a union when I first got here, a more useless shower of cnuts you will never meet, I was on strike in Ireland in a great union that did a great job for it's members.

I was not serious about Scott Walker, he is a dangerous fcuker that stripped away the rights of the union members to bargain collectively, he, like that arsehole in Florida do more harm than good, I have no time for unions but I respect their right to exist.

It's a funny thing, if the capitalists didn't invest money to make money you would have no need of the unions since there would be no corporations to work for, so happy Memorial day everyone and a big thank you to all who provide employment to working class stiffs like myself and my wife and two girls.
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

muppet

The taking on of the unions in the States has as nothing to do with Stew's beloved anti-liberalism, it is purely the last desperate actions of authorities going bankrupt. The authorities can't lose the fight because they have no money to pay if the unions hold out.

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2011/11/michael-lewis-201111

But it is easier to believe that it is part of a good guys versus evil unions crusade.
MWWSI 2017

The Iceman

a lot of my friends are union guys and they will admit that in NY at least the unions held the city to ransom. Charging hourly rates that Big 4 accountants wouldn't get, turning power off to a building if a union contractor didn't get the job.....it had to come to an end. I have nothing against Unions but lets be fair about it.
I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight

stew

Quote from: muppet on May 24, 2013, 04:43:27 PM
The taking on of the unions in the States has as nothing to do with Stew's beloved anti-liberalism, it is purely the last desperate actions of authorities going bankrupt. The authorities can't lose the fight because they have no money to pay if the unions hold out.

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2011/11/michael-lewis-201111

But it is easier to believe that it is part of a good guys versus evil unions crusade.

I am not anti Liberal, I am anti far left liberal they way you have your beloved anti conservatism slant.


Look what the unions did to Detroit, you cannot have high school graduates making $75,000 a year on a car production line doing a mundane job that takes little skill, and also have a world class pension and benefit package and expect that company to survive in the long term, hence the collapse in the market in 09.

The unions were made offers that they rejected out of hand, they knew the company could no longer afford to pay them what they were making and still they said no, I am talking about GM & Chrysler here, check it out for yourselves, the unions fcuked up like usual and the cost to their members was devastating, so again, fcuk the unions!
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

stew

Quote from: The Iceman on May 24, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
a lot of my friends are union guys and they will admit that in NY at least the unions held the city to ransom. Charging hourly rates that Big 4 accountants wouldn't get, turning power off to a building if a union contractor didn't get the job.....it had to come to an end. I have nothing against Unions but lets be fair about it.


That's the thing, the good people in the unions never get into positions of authority because they are not corrupt or on the take.

My experience here with Unions has not been a good one at all, when we were building the house I had contractors place bids for the work, I had union tradesmen bid and they came in with the cheapest bid however I decided to check out how they fared with people they had done work for before, to say they got bad reviews would give bad reviews a bad name, I went with a non union crowd called Tycore Built and they did a tremendous job, the other crowd called to ask what was going on with the bid, when I told them i went elsewhere he went off on me over the phone, so fcuk the unions!
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

FL/MAYO

Quote from: stew on May 24, 2013, 04:58:11 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 24, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
a lot of my friends are union guys and they will admit that in NY at least the unions held the city to ransom. Charging hourly rates that Big 4 accountants wouldn't get, turning power off to a building if a union contractor didn't get the job.....it had to come to an end. I have nothing against Unions but lets be fair about it.


That's the thing, the good people in the unions never get into positions of authority because they are not corrupt or on the take.

My experience here with Unions has not been a good one at all, when we were building the house I had contractors place bids for the work, I had union tradesmen bid and they came in with the cheapest bid however I decided to check out how they fared with people they had done work for before, to say they got bad reviews would give bad reviews a bad name, I went with a non union crowd called Tycore Built and they did a tremendous job, the other crowd called to ask what was going on with the bid, when I told them i went elsewhere he went off on me over the phone, so fcuk the unions!

Its nice to see that you class all unions and union members as corrupt, lazy and inept due to your experience of not getting your dinner on time ;)

Firstly,the financial collapse of 2009 was not the fault of union member's though the Republican Party and Fox News would like to blame us for this, greedy banks and Wall Street running amok with little or no regulations or oversight for years is the reason for the 2009 collapse of the U.S economy.

Secondly how repulsed would you be if six union firefighters ran into you house to rescue you or your family members. Since I have started in this profession I have seen things that you would not believe, watching young kids die form drug overdoses, standing by and watching and smelling 14 years old boys cook to death due to getting electrocuted, I have been spat at, shit on, stuck with needles, I have picked up peoples heads after they were decapitated not to mention the unknown hazards that my body have been exposed too. Firefighters die much younger than the rest of the general population, the job is very stressful. So when I hear right wing nuts bash unions and blame us for the way the economy is I rightly get pissed. After 25 years on the job I will deserve my pension despite what the the right wing of the Republican Party think, they're a bunch of hypocrites.

muppet

Quote from: stew on May 24, 2013, 04:58:11 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 24, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
a lot of my friends are union guys and they will admit that in NY at least the unions held the city to ransom. Charging hourly rates that Big 4 accountants wouldn't get, turning power off to a building if a union contractor didn't get the job.....it had to come to an end. I have nothing against Unions but lets be fair about it.


That's the thing, the good people in the unions never get into positions of authority because they are not corrupt or on the take.

My experience here with Unions has not been a good one at all, when we were building the house I had contractors place bids for the work, I had union tradesmen bid and they came in with the cheapest bid however I decided to check out how they fared with people they had done work for before, to say they got bad reviews would give bad reviews a bad name, I went with a non union crowd called Tycore Built and they did a tremendous job, the other crowd called to ask what was going on with the bid, when I told them i went elsewhere he went off on me over the phone, so fcuk the unions!

If a black man picked your pocket would you say fcuk the black man?
MWWSI 2017

Count 10


stew

Quote from: FL/MAYO on May 24, 2013, 06:08:25 PM
Quote from: stew on May 24, 2013, 04:58:11 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 24, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
a lot of my friends are union guys and they will admit that in NY at least the unions held the city to ransom. Charging hourly rates that Big 4 accountants wouldn't get, turning power off to a building if a union contractor didn't get the job.....it had to come to an end. I have nothing against Unions but lets be fair about it.


That's the thing, the good people in the unions never get into positions of authority because they are not corrupt or on the take.

My experience here with Unions has not been a good one at all, when we were building the house I had contractors place bids for the work, I had union tradesmen bid and they came in with the cheapest bid however I decided to check out how they fared with people they had done work for before, to say they got bad reviews would give bad reviews a bad name, I went with a non union crowd called Tycore Built and they did a tremendous job, the other crowd called to ask what was going on with the bid, when I told them i went elsewhere he went off on me over the phone, so fcuk the unions!

Its nice to see that you class all unions and union members as corrupt, lazy and inept due to your experience of not getting your dinner on time ;)

Firstly,the financial collapse of 2009 was not the fault of union member's though the Republican Party and Fox News would like to blame us for this, greedy banks and Wall Street running amok with little or no regulations or oversight for years is the reason for the 2009 collapse of the U.S economy.

Secondly how repulsed would you be if six union firefighters ran into you house to rescue you or your family members. Since I have started in this profession I have seen things that you would not believe, watching young kids die form drug overdoses, standing by and watching and smelling 14 years old boys cook to death due to getting electrocuted, I have been spat at, shit on, stuck with needles, I have picked up peoples heads after they were decapitated not to mention the unknown hazards that my body have been exposed too. Firefighters die much younger than the rest of the general population, the job is very stressful. So when I hear right wing nuts bash unions and blame us for the way the economy is I rightly get pissed. After 25 years on the job I will deserve my pension despite what the the right wing of the Republican Party think, they're a bunch of hypocrites.

First of all not once did I say that all  union members and unions are all lazy and corrupt! secondly I did not say that union members did not deserve their pensions, if it was negotiated they deserve to get what they have coming to them as do all citizens, you included.

Unions have the right to exist but too many of them are shite so fcuk those unions, as for the job you have, bully for you, it is an incredibly tough job, no doubt about it and you deserve to be taken care of but nobody put a gun to your head and made you become a firefighter.

As for your experiences on the job, that is what you signed up for, you knew what you were getting into and if it causing you that much stress you should consider doing something else.

As for me looking for a cup of tea, I was making a point of how petty unions can be, especially in Chicago.

Hypocrites all belong to the right, is that your assertion? too many clampetts on here blame the conservatives on everything whilst leaving the left blameless on all fronts.

Wall Street AND greedy unions (fcuk the greedy unions) ruined the economy, greedy union members helped ruin the economy by self destructing and destroying the fabric of companies that treated them like world class professionals and paid them handsomely for the privilege to have them weld, for example, a few spots on a shell of a car on a conveyor belt. (Again, this was an example)

Tell me this, is it only the Republicans that fcuk things up in America or are you another one of these union boyos that think with the rest of the sheep and just blame the right for everything whilst the left can do no wrong?

Spare me the Fox news shit, CNN is as bent as Fox is and you know it! they are all the fecking same and to me objective reporting in this country died decades ago!
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

stew

Quote from: muppet on May 24, 2013, 06:16:02 PM
Quote from: stew on May 24, 2013, 04:58:11 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 24, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
a lot of my friends are union guys and they will admit that in NY at least the unions held the city to ransom. Charging hourly rates that Big 4 accountants wouldn't get, turning power off to a building if a union contractor didn't get the job.....it had to come to an end. I have nothing against Unions but lets be fair about it.


That's the thing, the good people in the unions never get into positions of authority because they are not corrupt or on the take.

My experience here with Unions has not been a good one at all, when we were building the house I had contractors place bids for the work, I had union tradesmen bid and they came in with the cheapest bid however I decided to check out how they fared with people they had done work for before, to say they got bad reviews would give bad reviews a bad name, I went with a non union crowd called Tycore Built and they did a tremendous job, the other crowd called to ask what was going on with the bid, when I told them i went elsewhere he went off on me over the phone, so fcuk the unions!

If a black man picked your pocket would you say fcuk the black man?

Are you on drugs?
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

Count 10


muppet

Quote from: stew on May 24, 2013, 06:32:35 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 24, 2013, 06:16:02 PM
Quote from: stew on May 24, 2013, 04:58:11 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 24, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
a lot of my friends are union guys and they will admit that in NY at least the unions held the city to ransom. Charging hourly rates that Big 4 accountants wouldn't get, turning power off to a building if a union contractor didn't get the job.....it had to come to an end. I have nothing against Unions but lets be fair about it.


That's the thing, the good people in the unions never get into positions of authority because they are not corrupt or on the take.

My experience here with Unions has not been a good one at all, when we were building the house I had contractors place bids for the work, I had union tradesmen bid and they came in with the cheapest bid however I decided to check out how they fared with people they had done work for before, to say they got bad reviews would give bad reviews a bad name, I went with a non union crowd called Tycore Built and they did a tremendous job, the other crowd called to ask what was going on with the bid, when I told them i went elsewhere he went off on me over the phone, so fcuk the unions!

If a black man picked your pocket would you say fcuk the black man?

Are you on drugs?

Your sweeping generalisation of trade unions 'so fcuk the unions!', based on a quote to do work on your house, is so determined yet absurd, that I assumed this thinking would be consistent.

MWWSI 2017

stew

Quote from: muppet on May 24, 2013, 06:36:57 PM
Quote from: stew on May 24, 2013, 06:32:35 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 24, 2013, 06:16:02 PM
Quote from: stew on May 24, 2013, 04:58:11 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 24, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
a lot of my friends are union guys and they will admit that in NY at least the unions held the city to ransom. Charging hourly rates that Big 4 accountants wouldn't get, turning power off to a building if a union contractor didn't get the job.....it had to come to an end. I have nothing against Unions but lets be fair about it.


That's the thing, the good people in the unions never get into positions of authority because they are not corrupt or on the take.

My experience here with Unions has not been a good one at all, when we were building the house I had contractors place bids for the work, I had union tradesmen bid and they came in with the cheapest bid however I decided to check out how they fared with people they had done work for before, to say they got bad reviews would give bad reviews a bad name, I went with a non union crowd called Tycore Built and they did a tremendous job, the other crowd called to ask what was going on with the bid, when I told them i went elsewhere he went off on me over the phone, so fcuk the unions!

If a black man picked your pocket would you say fcuk the black man?

Are you on drugs?

Your sweeping generalisation of trade unions 'so fcuk the unions!', based on a quote to do work on your house, is so determined yet absurd, that I assumed this thinking would be consistent.

In an ideal world the good union would exist and the corrupt one's would be disbanded.

As for your ridiculous question, a man is a man be he black white or yellow so no i would not say that, does that answer your question toots?
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.