Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[tyrone86]

Alternative venues aren't an option as health and safety has moved on from the early 2000s. There were more in attendance in Healy Park for both games than MUDC or FODC would allow as the capacity for Dungannon/ Carrickmore/ Coalisland/ Pomeroy now and then you're into the issue of u16s needing tickets. McKenna Cup games on tour might be more realistic.

[NotedObserver]

In my opinion the big issue Tyrone face is in their half back and half forward lines. You take the top teams currently in contention for the All Ireland - Kerry, Dublin, Derry, Mayo, Armagh. These teams have middle 8s who are full of pace, power, energy and line breaking ability as well as scores.
If you compare just with Derry our likely Ulster Semi Final opponents - they have Gareth McKinless, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGroogan, Ethan Doherty, Ciaran McFaul as well as Rodger and Glass. Tyrone on the other hand haven't the same level of player to go alongside Kennedy and Kilpatrick. Meyler is a massive loss in this area. The jury is out on how much legs Peter Harte has left. Seanie O'Donnell would bring some of what I mention into this area. After that it is hard to see where Tyrone can get the injection or impetus from - a return of form of McGeary would help, Oguz at club level has shown capabilities, there has been glimpses so far from Ben Cullen. I don't think the other options - Michael O'Neill, Frank Burns, Michael McGleenan, Cormac Quinn, Niall Devlin, Tarlach Quinn, Aodhan Donaghy - can bring to the table what we need to push towards those top teams again. Ultimately the best players for this are not on the panel - Tiernan McCann and Rory Brennan.
I think unless Tyrone resolve their issues in these lines of the field, they will stay behind in the chasing pack on the Div1/2 boundary.

What I would want For Mayo:
Morgan
Devlin Hampsey Clarke
O'Donnell McKernan Cullen
Kennedy Kilpatrick
K McGeary Harte Oguz
McCurry D Canavan Daly

To me this is spot on. Other teams like Derry like 3 power runners like Mckernan in their half back line. M Donnelly runs saved them last year. Out of the list named burns might add a bit of strength around the middle.

Tmac at 32 would still be a great asset but understand if he's not a regular it's hard to commit. Monaghan and dubs early 30 players still key.
Donaghy and Devlin had great times with under 20s so hope they have the belief to make the step up. Brennan be straight in at 6 as well and a fully fit Peter teague would be useful

[southtyronegael]

Lean times for us for a while  I feel but things will improve  as the year goes on. Agree with  taking few league games to Dungannon. No atmosphere in omagh but style of play doesn't help.

[tiempo]

Alternative venues aren't an option as health and safety has moved on from the early 2000s. There were more in attendance in Healy Park for both games than MUDC or FODC would allow as the capacity for Dungannon/ Carrickmore/ Coalisland/ Pomeroy now and then you're into the issue of u16s needing tickets. McKenna Cup games on tour might be more realistic.

Out of interest, what was the attendance for the games against Roscommon and Galway? 8,000?

Healy Park capacity is what 18,000?

Would a 10,000 capacity venue packed not be far better than half empty soulless alternative

If you put those games on in Cmore, Dungannon, etc there would likely be an attendance uplift, due to novelty alone, maybe the game would need to be ticketed just to be on the safe side

And logistics in and around those grounds would be an issue, but not beyond the wit of man

Bit of a joke Dublin won't play games at Parnell Park, I'm sure plenty of Dubs feel the same

[GlenMan]

Alternative venues aren't an option as health and safety has moved on from the early 2000s. There were more in attendance in Healy Park for both games than MUDC or FODC would allow as the capacity for Dungannon/ Carrickmore/ Coalisland/ Pomeroy now and then you're into the issue of u16s needing tickets. McKenna Cup games on tour might be more realistic.

Out of interest, what was the attendance for the games against Roscommon and Galway? 8,000?

Healy Park capacity is what 18,000?

Would a 10,000 capacity venue packed not be far better than half empty soulless alternative

If you put those games on in Cmore, Dungannon, etc there would likely be an attendance uplift, due to novelty alone, maybe the game would need to be ticketed just to be on the safe side

And logistics in and around those grounds would be an issue, but not beyond the wit of man

Bit of a joke Dublin won't play games at Parnell Park, I'm sure plenty of Dubs feel the same

If they were to use smaller grounds, which would likely be near capacity, then u16's would be charged into the games as it'd be all ticket. Would this help? Honestly not sure.

[tiempo]

Alternative venues aren't an option as health and safety has moved on from the early 2000s. There were more in attendance in Healy Park for both games than MUDC or FODC would allow as the capacity for Dungannon/ Carrickmore/ Coalisland/ Pomeroy now and then you're into the issue of u16s needing tickets. McKenna Cup games on tour might be more realistic.

Out of interest, what was the attendance for the games against Roscommon and Galway? 8,000?

Healy Park capacity is what 18,000?

Would a 10,000 capacity venue packed not be far better than half empty soulless alternative

If you put those games on in Cmore, Dungannon, etc there would likely be an attendance uplift, due to novelty alone, maybe the game would need to be ticketed just to be on the safe side

And logistics in and around those grounds would be an issue, but not beyond the wit of man

Bit of a joke Dublin won't play games at Parnell Park, I'm sure plenty of Dubs feel the same

If they were to use smaller grounds, which would likely be near capacity, then u16's would be charged into the games as it'd be all ticket. Would this help? Honestly not sure.

Any charge for U16s would be fairly nominal I'm sure, allocation might be more of an issue but not insurmountable, a smaller ground that is higher proportion full makes for a better atmosphere, I'd even go as far as to say a better game

With the majority of games being televised and a lack of feel in Omagh due to large swathes of empty terrace its got to be worth looking elsewhere for a bit of novelty

Wasn't there major pitch works scheduled at Omagh anyway that was going to take it out of action for a year or so, alternatives will have to be in place for that in due course

[Tyrone Dreamer]

There was plenty of room in the stand on Sunday and very few on the terrace so I'd imagine the attendance was around 3,000 (pitiful by division 1 standards - not long ago our "fans" used to take hand out of Kerry being badly supported). Carrickmore would be more than capable of holding this and has had bigger crowds at club championship games in recent years. Hopefully Dungannon becomes an option again.

[Tyrone11234]

Not much point in Tiarnan Quinn being in the match day panels if he can't get five minutes football. If he's not up to that level let's find out and he can go back to his club. All that flaffing about the last few minutes players afraid to have a shot for a point he would at least have had a go...

Welcome to the board, Tiarnan

[Goals_Will_Come]

Not much point in Tiarnan Quinn being in the match day panels if he can't get five minutes football. If he's not up to that level let's find out and he can go back to his club. All that flaffing about the last few minutes players afraid to have a shot for a point he would at least have had a go...

Welcome to the board, Tiarnan

  you're bit late that comment was made earlier. I'm def not Tiarnan Quinn!   

Welcome to the board Cathaoir Quinn, will Coalisland stay up this year?

[NotedObserver]

Not much point in Tiarnan Quinn being in the match day panels if he can't get five minutes football. If he's not up to that level let's find out and he can go back to his club. All that flaffing about the last few minutes players afraid to have a shot for a point he would at least have had a go...

Welcome to the board, Tiarnan

  you're bit late that comment was made earlier. I'm def not Tiarnan Quinn!   

Welcome to the board Cathaoir Quinn, will Coalisland stay up this year?

Ok joke has worn bit thin... issue is, is there any point being on a county bench if you're not going to get a minute of game time?

Yes especially when the galbally fella got a few minutes at the end

[Goals_Will_Come]

Ok joke has worn bit thin... issue is, is there any point being on a county bench if you're not going to get a minute of game time?

I would agree that Tiarnan would be worth a gamble when chasing the game, he has that maverick quality about him but ultimately the percentage shot safety first Inter County game doesn't lend itself to this sort of behavior anymore.

[tyrone86]

The issue is what the council will license a venue for as the attendance, not what a venue can hold.
Conceivably you could get a 5k license for O'Neill Park when completed but you aren't getting anything close to that for Carrickmore.

[tiempo]

There was plenty of room in the stand on Sunday and very few on the terrace so I'd imagine the attendance was around 3,000 (pitiful by division 1 standards - not long ago our "fans" used to take hand out of Kerry being badly supported). Carrickmore would be more than capable of holding this and has had bigger crowds at club championship games in recent years. Hopefully Dungannon becomes an option again.

Game live on TV and stinking wet day would play a part but 3000 is very low

There was mention of Tyrone supporters club on here before, something does need to be looked at in terms of support, but then again we've been spoilt. There's a marked difference in support for Derry Armagh Mayo who lust after the success Tyrone have had, suppose it comes with the territory, people take an a la carte approach after a while as travelling after successful teams can become an expensive hobby

[square_ball]

Ok joke has worn bit thin... issue is, is there any point being on a county bench if you're not going to get a minute of game time?

I would agree that Tiarnan would be worth a gamble when chasing the game, he has that maverick quality about him but ultimately the percentage shot safety first Inter County game doesn't lend itself to this sort of behavior anymore.

I'd rather have seen Tiarnan Quinn come on on Sunday than McGleenan to be honest. Surprised Quinn hasn't seen any game time in the league so far.

[Truthsayer]

Ok joke has worn bit thin... issue is, is there any point being on a county bench if you're not going to get a minute of game time?

I would agree that Tiarnan would be worth a gamble when chasing the game, he has that maverick quality about him but ultimately the percentage shot safety first Inter County game doesn't lend itself to this sort of behavior anymore.

They were definitely chasing the game on Sunday players passing sideways and backways not confident enough to shoot and the clock ticking down... ironic considering the shots Dooher fired over in his career.