Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[Jim Bob]

And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you

I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !

You seem very convinced it is not a Management issue. Are you laying the blame entirely on the players?

Not blaming anyone.

[trueblue1234]

And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you

I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !

Jimbob, can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

So you are saying that daragh is not being honest ?

I'm saying there's no way of knowing from a media interview if that's his honest opinion. Now since I answered your question, maybe you might answer mine: can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

Yes. 1953 a Cavan player said it.   What a stupid question !,

Therefore highlights how stupid bringing up Darragh's comments are.

[Jim Bob]

And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you

I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !

Jimbob, can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

So you are saying that daragh is not being honest ?

I'm saying there's no way of knowing from a media interview if that's his honest opinion. Now since I answered your question, maybe you might answer mine: can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

Yes. 1953 a Cavan player said it.   What a stupid question !,

Therefore highlights how stupid bringing up Darragh's comments are.

Doesn't even remotely compare. Darragh said what he said and who is anyone to question whether he was being dishonest with the reporter. HE even mentioned other players as well who has a similar mind to himself.

[trueblue1234]

And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you

I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !

Jimbob, can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

So you are saying that daragh is not being honest ?

I'm saying there's no way of knowing from a media interview if that's his honest opinion. Now since I answered your question, maybe you might answer mine: can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

Yes. 1953 a Cavan player said it.   What a stupid question !,

Therefore highlights how stupid bringing up Darragh's comments are.

Doesn't even remotely compare. Darragh said what he said and who is anyone to question whether he was being dishonest with the reporter. HE even mentioned other players as well who has a similar mind to himself.

Do you still not understand Snapchat's point?

[Jim Bob]

And why what you stated above is the management s fault ? Be specific

Darragh Canavan is happy for them to stay on and he'd know a lot more about the state of things than you

I've been specific. I've given you reasons that I believe lie with the management. Inability to keep players happy on a panel, inability to get the best out of the players or build confidence, tactics too ponderous and slow to transition to attack. They had an AI winning team in 2021. And they did brilliant to win the AI. But there's been a drop off in too many  players forms since to simple say it's the players fault.

You seem to think that Tyrone ought to have won the All Ireland this year. For all we know some players may have lost that 'hunger' after having won in 21. Not the management fault there if true. Management can only do so much. We are not entitled to win the All Ireland every year. Maybe you should give Darragh a ring and tell him he's got it all wrong !

Jimbob, can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

So you are saying that daragh is not being honest ?

I'm saying there's no way of knowing from a media interview if that's his honest opinion. Now since I answered your question, maybe you might answer mine: can you give me one example, since the foundation of the GAA until this day, where a player was asked in a media interview if he would like his current manager to stay on for the following year, and where the player said "no"?

Yes. 1953 a Cavan player said it.   What a stupid question !,

Therefore highlights how stupid bringing up Darragh's comments are.

Doesn't even remotely compare. Darragh said what he said and who is anyone to question whether he was being dishonest with the reporter. HE even mentioned other players as well who has a similar mind to himself.

Do you still not understand Snapchat's point?

Naw. What did he/she say. ? Couldn't be arsed looking back

[marty34]

As an aside, I think one of the Irish woman's soccer team last week, maybe the captain, was asked about would she be happy if Vera stayed on in the job and she was very luke warm about her staying on.

Vera, the manager, was sitting next to here. 

[Lamh Dhearg Alba]

I think 1 AI in three years and remaining in Div 1 throughout that time  - gives enough credit in bank.
It will be a bit of a rebuild job regardless of who is in the hot seat.

On the surface that looks very good and well worth another term. In reality after year one - and winning that AI was a magnificent effort - Tyrone have been a mess and regressed massively. I could accept a couple of mediocre seasons in other circumstances but there has been no sign of any cohesive plan unfortunately and the team has under performed hugely given the quality of player available. Sorry to say it but I don't see any evidence at all to suggest the current management team deserve more time.

Blasé BS. Why don't you get down to the soecific of why the management are to blame and not the players.
You talk about quality of players.
Should  they have won an All Ireland this year  under different management ?
Should players have been played in different positions}
Should other players have been played iand where? 
Tell us why we didn't win the All Ireland this year

I didn't expect Tyrone to win an All Ireland this year. I did hope to see a well organised team compared to the shambles of last year, a team that would compete well in league and championship. We all know the talent is there and if Tyrone play as they can then they can give any team in the country a game. Instead it was much the same as last year, listless and no obvious gameplan. The only two real positive performances were Kerry in the league and Donegal in the Championship, and Donegal were a mess. We lost in the first round of Ulster from a position of strength. Galway I'll excuse as Frank Burns sold the jerseys. Armagh we almost threw away against 14 men, from a position of strength. Westmeath was a very lucky escape, again when the game was effectively won a few minutes earlier. Then Donegal which gave some false hope, then an embarrassing collapse against Kerry.

You can blame the players if you want, perhaps some did indeed lack the same desire. There was a lack of leadership on the field at times and too often it fell to Mattie Donnelly in particular and a couple of notable others to provide that. Management didn't help on occasion by replacing these leaders with rookies at key times. Even knackered leaders had more to offer in seeing out games. But others on the field need to step up. Ultimately however, it's the responsibility of the management to prepare the team, provide leadership and ensure they get something close to the best out of the players they have at their disposal. Tyrone the last two years were considerably less than the sum of their parts. We didn't expect All Irelands but we didn't expect a string of shambolic performances either. If you believe this was acceptable then fair enough but I'm yet to see anybody make a credible case for the management team getting another chance based on how poor Tyrone have been post 2021. Have a shot if you want and be as specific as you like.

As for the point about Darragh, it's utterly moronic to think he was going to say anything else.

[Jim Bob]

Good to see that you recognise that it wasn't just a management problem

[LeoMc]

Good to see that you recognise that it wasn't just a management problem

Good to see you recognise that Management are a part of the problem.

[Jim Bob]

Great to know that we have some outstanding candidates ,who post here , for the job if indeed they decide to step down.
A few men on here know the problem and how it can be solved. Hopefully one of them will take over and we can all look forward to glorious days in Croke Park. Armchair experts 🙄🙄🙄

[rrhf]

Agreed. Probably have photos on their fridge with their arms around them less than 2 years ago..

[square_ball]

The logic of the previous 2 posts is certainly interesting to say the least.

It's a discussion board. People are allowed to express an opinion aren't they?

[Jim Bob]

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/tyrone-managers-feargal-logan-brian-27405295

Discuss 🤓

[Goals_Will_Come]

Paul Devlin also looking another 3 years with the Under 20s. 2023 has to be one of the most disappointing years ever for Tyrone in that Minor U20 and Senior all had years to forget. Freshening up of management at all 3 levels would do no harm. Especially with the crop at U20 level for the next two years being all those involved with the successful schools teams - vital for Tyrone seniors future that the U20s are handled correctly to bring through these players.

[sam03/05]

Both management teams have won AI titles in the last three years. Both deserve to stay on if they wish, with maybe come new coaches in