Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[Scoring Zone]

Cathal McFlashinthepan

Had a wonder season and now back to lacklustre level.

I think this is a bit harsh. His decision making could improve. There are times when he could claim a mark but instead takes on his man and ends up losing it. He got a couple of frees for this on Sunday, soft enough I thought. In previous years he would have taken a mark for an easy score

The good season he had he was the main target man (donnelly was in there too but McShane was the main target man and all he had to do was get and turn and shoot - now he has to play inside with mccurry and he has shown to date he doesnt have the mentality to do it, on key piece of play for me this year that sums him up was against Donegal when Munroe was running through and goal and lashed the ball over the bar, there was an angle behind the goals where when munroe was bombing through mccurry got out of the way, McShane ran on top of him and nearly bloodly blocked him, that at any level over minors is criminal never mind an All-Star. and the soft frees he is getting will be picked up by refs sooner or later, you can't be his size and throw yourself down - bench him and bring him on for the qualifiers

[TyroneClubs]

Cathal McFlashinthepan

Had a wonder season and now back to lacklustre level.

Ridiculous comment. Missed the guts of 18 months with a serious injury that he's lucky he recovered from. I'm sure a few Tyrone boys know they haven't been up to standard this season but just remember the feeling these same people brought us in September. Some people have short memories and it seems they almost want the county to fail so they can have a go at players.

[nrico2006]

Cathal McFlashinthepan

Had a wonder season and now back to lacklustre level.

I think this is a bit harsh. His decision making could improve. There are times when he could claim a mark but instead takes on his man and ends up losing it. He got a couple of frees for this on Sunday, soft enough I thought. In previous years he would have taken a mark for an easy score

The good season he had he was the main target man (donnelly was in there too but McShane was the main target man and all he had to do was get and turn and shoot - now he has to play inside with mccurry and he has shown to date he doesnt have the mentality to do it, on key piece of play for me this year that sums him up was against Donegal when Munroe was running through and goal and lashed the ball over the bar, there was an angle behind the goals where when munroe was bombing through mccurry got out of the way, McShane ran on top of him and nearly bloodly blocked him, that at any level over minors is criminal never mind an All-Star. and the soft frees he is getting will be picked up by refs sooner or later, you can't be his size and throw yourself down - bench him and bring him on for the qualifiers

That's not entirely true.  Munroe was running through but there was still a defender there, McShane angle a run looking for the pass and he would have been through clean on goal but it never came and his run had taken him into Munroe's pathway.

[tyrone08]

This is no defense of tyrones very poor season but I wonder if the condensed season is making it even more difficult for reining champions to defend their title?

Anyone know how long this shortened season is going on  for?

[An Watcher]

A month to prepare for the next match, a kind draw and we'll be up and running again

[Mikhailov]

This is no defense of tyrones very poor season but I wonder if the condensed season is making it even more difficult for reining champions to defend their title?

Anyone know how long this shortened season is going on  for?

All Ireland finals are middle 2 weekends in July

[tyrone08]

This is no defense of tyrones very poor season but I wonder if the condensed season is making it even more difficult for reining champions to defend their title?

Anyone know how long this shortened season is going on  for?

All Ireland finals are middle 2 weekends in July

Sorry I meant is this the new normal or is the AI season going back to September

[WT4E]

Cathal McFlashinthepan

Had a wonder season and now back to lacklustre level.

Ridiculous comment. Missed the guts of 18 months with a serious injury that he's lucky he recovered from. I'm sure a few Tyrone boys know they haven't been up to standard this season but just remember the feeling these same people brought us in September. Some people have short memories and it seems they almost want the county to fail so they can have a go at players.

Hope I'm wrong but I think he was limited enough fpr inter county before that wonder season and is back to that. I don't think we'll ever see that type of form from him again and he shouldn't get to live off it forever.

[tyrone08]

Cathal McFlashinthepan

Had a wonder season and now back to lacklustre level.

Ridiculous comment. Missed the guts of 18 months with a serious injury that he's lucky he recovered from. I'm sure a few Tyrone boys know they haven't been up to standard this season but just remember the feeling these same people brought us in September. Some people have short memories and it seems they almost want the county to fail so they can have a go at players.

Hope I'm wrong but I think he was limited enough fpr inter county before that wonder season and is back to that. I don't think we'll ever see that type of form from him again and he shouldn't get to live off it forever.

I would agree to a certain extent. He needs to earn the huge package he got for staying instead of going to oz rules.

[BennyHarp]

Some lads are very quick to pull the plug on players. The simple fact is that we wouldn't have won the All Ireland without McShane and less than 9 months later we want him banished from the team and are making crude comments about the "package" he got for staying. I would also say, that unless we get him firing again then we have no chance of winning the All Ireland again. I may be in the minority here but I actually thought he wasn't the worst on Sunday and at least looked like he was unsettling the Derry gameplan, which is more than most achieved. I was surprised he got hooked. The championship has come around very quickly this year and a few lads have yet to find form, this time last year we had lads wanting to get rid of Kieran McGeary and he ended up player of the year. And although i do admit we have a few lads who need to improve (and quickly), maybe this month's preparation before the qualifier isn't a bad thing - we are no further away from an All Ireland quarter final than we were last week.

[tyrone08]

Some lads are very quick to pull the plug on players. The simple fact is that we wouldn't have won the All Ireland without McShane and less than 9 months later we want him banished from the team and are making crude comments about the "package" he got for staying. I would also say, that unless we get him firing again then we have no chance of winning the All Ireland again. I may be in the minority here but I actually thought he wasn't the worst on Sunday and at least looked like he was unsettling the Derry gameplan, which is more than most achieved. I was surprised he got hooked. The championship has come around very quickly this year and a few lads have yet to find form, this time last year we had lads wanting to get rid of Kieran McGeary and he ended up player of the year. And although i do admit we have a few lads who need to improve (and quickly), maybe this month's preparation before the qualifier isn't a bad thing - we are no further away from an All Ireland quarter final than we were last week.

That's a fair point however he has been given a lot of chances this year without finding any kind of form. Football is a business in a certain way and he was given a right bit to stay, not saying its right or wrong but its a fact. This is where we will miss the likes of Bradley as he could have came on and attached the defence.

I said at the start of the year tyrone will struggle if mcshane or McCurry have off days.

Wouldnt really say mcshane improved on the last game, he got 2 soft enough frees.

Still plenty of time to turn it around and meeting the likes of armagh in the qualifiers might be the kick up the arse that is needed.

Ultimately if tyrone fall short this year its not a big issue after the wonderful year last year. Managment are new and need time.

[Man Marker]

As a Derry man at the game I was really surprised at Mc Shane being taken of. He had drawn frees and was one of the few forwards who was showing anything from a Tyrone perspective. Was happy he was taken off and I felt it weakened your team.

[ONeill]

100%. Can only think he was injured. Him and McCurry were holding their own.

[Stan]

Probably an unpopular position to take but Dooher comes across a bit like Roy Keane - an idea that goes down well enough in my house in so fast as I love Keane..as a player and a pundit.

I just wonder if he is the kind of manager that can get under the skin of emotional and personal issues that might impact some of the players...Young Meyler found respite in counselling last year and maybe still is. How many other young lads find it easy to carry the fame and the trappings of being an all ireland winner in your mid 20s?

What about those players on the team last year that didn't get any game time but were on the panel - weren't even included in the team picture on the day because the county board were afraid of getting fined by HQ? Did they get a medal even?

Does the county use a sports psychologist? Looking at Brian's medal haul will only inspire you so far...then after that...?

Im not critical of the current all ireland champions and their management team - I'm more curious about how well prepared the tyrone team of players is for the battle ahead this year and next year.

I can't figure out why so many players would choose to leave a winning team - albeit they'll have their own reasons for doing so and maybe the management has communicated to them individually....

Will be interesting to see how the next game goes

[tyrone08]

Would say dooher is a tough love type of manager. Nothing wrong with that.

Any word on the general feeling in the camp?