Honestly have to laugh at some of the comments on here.
First thing I’d like to ask is can someone provide the evidence showing harte’s huge salary being paid by Tyrone gaa? Harte is not paid a salary by Tyrone.
Secondly, for those saying he has to go, what are your expectations over the next 5 years? Is it that we actually win 1 or 2 all Ireland’s or is it that you’re just fed up and want a change for change sake?
Over the next 5 years, the new manager to IMPROVE on what we have achieved over the past 5 years (excluding 2020) would have to at a MINIMUM: retain Division 1 status every year, win 3 ulster titles, reach the AI Semi Final EVERY year, get to AT LEAST 2 AI finals and WIN at least 1 AI title.
Now to be clear, I’m not saying that the above isn’t achievable and who knows maybe it is the right time for a change but the way Harte’s name gets dragged about on this forum is a disgrace. Reading some of the comments on here you’d think Tyrone’s summers had ended in June for the past 10 years. When Harte goes it might then be appreciated how good a job he has done to keep Tyrone continually operating at the top level.
I’ve read some other managers names thrown about here as well such as McGleenan etc. Like on what basis are some of these names getting mentioned? I understand the Logan and Canavan shouts as they have done it with the U21s and know a lot of these players. Also don’t mind the Malachy O’rourke shout but then again did Malachy ever get the better of Harte when it really counted? Harte came out on top in both 2015 and 2018 when it really really counted.
As I’ve said before, it might well be the time for a change but I wouldn’t necessarily be banking on it resulting in a positive outcome. Also have to consider that since Tyrone last won Sam, we’ve been living through a spell involving a team which has been touted as one of the best of all time resulting in only Kerry (x2) Cork (x1) and Donegal (x1) winning the big prize outside of Dublin. And to be frank about it, I’m not sure since 2008, we have had a squad of players that has been really good enough to get it done at the very very highest level.
Agree with all this. It seems as if lots of people want change for the sake of it and it could well lead to Harte being removed and replaced by an inferior manager. It's very premiership soccer like the way a section of Tyrone people go on about Harte - you can imagine them doing a #harteout on twitter after a game.
I think Harte's biggest problem is the fact he's been there so long he's annoyed a lot of club people along the way by not picking their players (and 95% of the time he's probably made the right calls). The current flavour of the month is not picking any Dungannon men. Dungannon won the championship with a good all round team and have a few players that could well push on to the county squad over the next year or two. But I don't think there was anyone good enough that was going to walk into the county panel and make a massive difference with 6 weeks county training behind them this season.
Paudie McNulty's name gets brought up but is he really an improvement on what's there? He's a decent club player who might not be far of squad level (which he obviously doesn't want to be) but to make out he'd have made the difference in that Donegal game is a bit of a stretch. His strongest asset is running with the ball and this is very difficult against strong physical defences at county level. I'd have said Mallon was probably a better ball winner around the middle for Dungannon than him in the big championship games.
I think next year we have potentially our strongest forward line since 08 and given Harte has kept us as a top 5 team with a weaker group of players he probably does deserve another go. You could see last year how he was flexible and change tactics with a much criticised McShane becoming one of the top forwards in the country. I'm sure with McKenna and Canavan available he'll mix it up again.
Another criticism of him on here in recent days was that he hasn't had a consistent spine of the team in recent years. I'm not sure how accurate this is. This year was different due to a number of factors including injuries and late retirements. But last year for example you knew McNamee was 3, Hampsey was 6, Colm Cavanagh in middle, Sludden at 11 and McShane at 14.
If he is to go I'm really not sure who steps in. Fergal Logan would be a massive gamble. He did along with a large management team won an u21 all ireland. Though from memory there was two very poor campaigns either side of that and he hasn't a strong record at management level other than that. Collie Holmes should be given a go at u20 level, not thrown into senior management as an experiment. He's a decent record at underage though the only All Ireland came at u17 level in the year most big counties were still focusing on u18s. He struggled with Eglish though has been involved in a great story with Dungannon - who knows how much say or what his role was there. Other than that any other internal candidate would be a huge gamble.
The only criticism of Harte I would have on Sunday was leaving Harte on ahead of McCurry. Now for all we know McCurry was carrying a knock and he had lost a few balls that went into him in the second half but on the face of it was a strange call. Other than that the team picked wasn't far away given the players available and they competed with one of the top teams in Ireland in a notoriously difficult ground to go to. It was a game lost on fine margins but you'd think on here we were beat out the gate.
